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Post by bargemast on Apr 17, 2019 18:53:51 GMT
Because some of you seem to like boaty stuff of the past, I'll show a video here with the first on board propulsion systems we had in the Netherlands. Before that quite a few former sailing barges had "Opduwers" little boats, in the beginning often with old worn-out T-Ford engines, that were used as pushers. It was quite incredible to see how fast the barges could go with their side props, one of the reasons for this was that the prop didn't have to fight to get the water, and also no problem to let it go. They only had forward gear, and getting into locks or mooring up, the prop had to be stored on the side decks. Did something like this exist in the UK too ? I've never seen or read about it there. Peter. ps. WARNING ! There's a danger if you start watching these video's, as they always followed up by many more also interesting ones. so please don't blame it on me if you run out off GB's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 19:05:43 GMT
That's how the first version of my electric canoe went. I put the motor on a pole and held it over the side. Then I put it in the boat, cut a hole in back of boat with a shaft and prop Wicked video ! The good old days when people didn't rely on reverse to stop a boat
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 19:16:43 GMT
One thing which confused me was that the boat seemed to already be under way before he lowered the prop down.
How did that happen?
How did the boat get out of the lock?
I think that boat might have a conventional inboard as well.
Still a nice demo though.
And the bollards look dodgy plus forward visibility and the baseplate is a bit thin.
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Post by rockdodger on Apr 18, 2019 2:07:12 GMT
Thai racing version
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Post by bargemast on Apr 18, 2019 6:15:31 GMT
One thing which confused me was that the boat seemed to already be under way before he lowered the prop down. How did that happen? How did the boat get out of the lock? I think that boat might have a conventional inboard as well. Still a nice demo though. And the bollards look dodgy plus forward visibility and the baseplate is a bit thin. Very good Andrew, I see that you've been studying this subjet seriously. The waterways in the Netherlands are very very very busy during the summer months, and full of "Tupperware" boats, and because of that the boat needed another propulsion system which they added in the form of an outboard motor fixed to the rudder. I'll add a photo on which you can just about see the outboard motor To answer your other questions, in the past (before the outboard motor) a barge like that would get out off the locks being pulled with ropes, and on very narrow ditches of which there were many in the area where these barges used to work they used long wooden poles to push the barge, if there was a good enough bank alongside 1 or 2 people (or sometimes a horse) used to pull the barge, and if- and where possible use a sail too. I found a story with several photos of a trip they did laden with straw, partly on a very narrow ditch, on this historical trip they were not allowed to use the outboard, as it had to be as authentic as possible. www.debinnenvaart.nl/binnenvaarttaal/afbeeldingen/schepen/vrachtschepen_oud/steilsteven/hanvisser_stro.html I hope that you're satisfied now, knowing some more about the history of the old Dutch barges. Peter.
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Post by Jim on Apr 18, 2019 6:24:41 GMT
I see somebody can't find the edit button. 😂😂😂
I have one of these in my shed, awaiting a good seeing too, needs a new magneto coil.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 18, 2019 7:01:06 GMT
I see somebody can't find the edit button. 😂😂😂 I have one of these in my shed, awaiting a good seeing too, needs a new magneto coil. A very clean (smoke-free) and silent propulsion system, until you start them . Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 7:28:39 GMT
to answer your other questions, in the past (before the outboard motor) a barge like that would get out off the locks being pulled with ropes, and on very narrow ditches of which there were many in the area where these barges used to work they used long wooden poles to push the barge, if there was a good enough bank alongside 1 or 2 people (or sometimes a horse) used to pull the barge, and if- and where possible use a sail too. . Peter. What is the dutch name for the wooden poles? I think it was mentioned before but I forgot it. I'm a big fan of wooden barge pole implements. I even have in my possession (indoors as it is rather old) an original 20ft long Regents canal barge pole. 1.3/4 inch made of proper spruce. Its a bit nackered and liable to break but a rare survivor and a nice decoration in the boat along with my boathooks and various different oars etc. I believe the dutch poles had a hexagonal block of wood at the end whereas UK setting poles had an iron fork. That was for the Thames. The canal barge poles normally have a big hook and spike implement. I have seen a video somewhere of a small Tjalk being poled by two people but can't remember the dutch term. I always wanted to do a book about canal boating implements and manual propulsion tools. Maybe I should do a little website about it all
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Post by Jim on Apr 18, 2019 8:20:33 GMT
I see somebody can't find the edit button. 😂😂😂 I have one of these in my shed, awaiting a good seeing too, needs a new magneto coil. A very clean (smoke-free) and silent propulsion system, until you start them . Peter. Yes Peter, 20:1 mix if my memory serves me well. I put a bit of conduit pipe extension on the exhaust to vent it below the water. Kill the fish not me.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 18, 2019 9:20:44 GMT
A very clean (smoke-free) and silent propulsion system, until you start them . Peter. Yes Peter, 20:1 mix if my memory serves me well. I put a bit of conduit pipe extension on the exhaust to vent it below the water. Kill the fish not me. True, as long as you don't eat the poisonned fish Your machine would still be a fairly rare and valuable object for a collectionner. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 18, 2019 9:33:36 GMT
to answer your other questions, in the past (before the outboard motor) a barge like that would get out off the locks being pulled with ropes, and on very narrow ditches of which there were many in the area where these barges used to work they used long wooden poles to push the barge, if there was a good enough bank alongside 1 or 2 people (or sometimes a horse) used to pull the barge, and if- and where possible use a sail too. . Peter. What is the dutch name for the wooden poles? I think it was mentioned before but I forgot it. The Dutch name is "VAARBOOM"I'm a big fan of wooden barge pole implements. I even have in my possession (indoors as it is rather old) an original 20ft long Regents canal barge pole. 1.3/4 inch made of proper spruce. Its a bit nackered and liable to break but a rare survivor and a nice decoration in the boat along with my boathooks and various different oars etc. I believe the dutch poles had a hexagonal block of wood at the end whereas UK setting poles had an iron fork. That was for the Thames. The canal barge poles normally have a big hook and spike implement. This is what they had on the end that went into the canal-or river bed I have seen a video somewhere of a small Tjalk being poled by two people but can't remember the dutch term. The Dutch term is "BOMEN"I always wanted to do a book about canal boating implements and manual propulsion tools. Maybe I should do a little website about it all Do it, I would love to see-and read it. Btw, there a Dutch language school in Cambridge that's named the Vaarboom, it's for children, but that would make the learning easier for adults too, don't know if they'll allow you to study with these young kids though De Vaarboom, Cambridge De Vaarboom provides Dutch education at Primary school level and aims to ensure that Dutch children do not fall behind in learning their native tongue; on Saturday mornings, an NTC-school (Nederlandse Taal en Cultuur). At the Queen Emma school, Cherry Hinton. www.devaarboom.co.ukPeter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 10:38:51 GMT
I've had half a dozen of those pole ends out of the Thames. "Setting pole" shoes I believe they are called
Have a couple by my boat at the mooring I will get a picture later. Very similar to the Dutch one you put a picture of.
Pole sizes ranging from 80mm up to a big 150mm one which I left in the river as can't keep everything.
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Post by Jim on Apr 18, 2019 11:00:10 GMT
I've just found a long shaft. Stair handrail, but a mahogany or similar, found under some weeds growing over the coping stones next to my mooring. Now sanded and painted and sitting on the cabin top.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 11:18:49 GMT
Here are three of the setting pole shoes I have found in the Thames. Standard sized brick wall in background. The reason I think they were called that is because MOL Docklands museum has some of the shoes and calls them that. Use to help maneuver barges and anchor them in place specially horse ferries I believe as they are often to be found by old ferry points where barge walk / towing path changed sides (Thames) Me like this sort of ting ! Just thought of a good name for the website: bargeiron.org
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Post by bargemast on Apr 18, 2019 11:28:49 GMT
I've just found a long shaft. Stair handrail, but a mahogany or similar, found under some weeds growing over the coping stones next to my mooring. Now sanded and painted and sitting on the cabin top. They are highly under estimated and most useful in many situations where nothing else could help you out. Nowadays many people rely too much on their electric egg-whisk BT's, that are mainly very good in assuring the early distruction of batteries. It's too bad that only so few people use their electric BT's, and most seem to abuse them, trying to make up for the wrong rudder position. Peter.
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