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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 8:40:51 GMT
Cart don't always operate like that, they often have these cosy deals with developers. But cosy deals don't hold water legally. I was a councillor and was on planning. We did deals with developers which at a basic level worked like this. We will give p.o. provided you adhere to these agreement terms. The agreement terms were often that the developer provide a new road, street lighting, traffic calming, facilities for the extra kids that would dwell with parents in the new houses. Shops and pubs often figure as p.o. requirements. If the developer fails in meeting the obligations they have agreed to in obtaining pp, they are in breach and risk serious comeback Yes I understand Phil, but I doubt the council are involved in the deals done over boaters facilities. I don't know where the next facilities towards Leicester are, but the next the other way are Trent lock.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:41:05 GMT
naughtyfox you will have no problems with elsan and rubbish disposal on the Thames. Eta although the Thames is EA direct discharge into the river is not legal despite it being allowed on some other EA navigations such as the Nene.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:45:38 GMT
But cosy deals don't hold water legally. I was a councillor and was on planning. We did deals with developers which at a basic level worked like this. We will give p.o. provided you adhere to these agreement terms. The agreement terms were often that the developer provide a new road, street lighting, traffic calming, facilities for the extra kids that would dwell with parents in the new houses. Shops and pubs often figure as p.o. requirements. If the developer fails in meeting the obligations they have agreed to in obtaining pp, they are in breach and risk serious comeback Yes I understand Phil, but I doubt the council are involved in the deals done over boaters facilities. I don't know where the next facilities towards Leicester are, but the next the other way are Trent lock. Maybe they just closed it because you are around ? Once you continue with your bona fide navigation they'll reopen it
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2019 8:46:01 GMT
Closing them is an interesting tactic. Like getting rid of rubbish bins on trains and at railway stations because of 'terrorism'. It's really to save money. Why hide a bomb in a bin anyway?
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Post by phil70 on May 1, 2019 8:47:50 GMT
But cosy deals don't hold water legally. I was a councillor and was on planning. We did deals with developers which at a basic level worked like this. We will give p.o. provided you adhere to these agreement terms. The agreement terms were often that the developer provide a new road, street lighting, traffic calming, facilities for the extra kids that would dwell with parents in the new houses. Shops and pubs often figure as p.o. requirements. If the developer fails in meeting the obligations they have agreed to in obtaining pp, they are in breach and risk serious comeback Yes I understand Phil, but I doubt the council are involved in the deals done over boaters facilities. I don't know where the next facilities towards Leicester are, but the next the other way are Trent lock. Hmm,yes you are probably right, councils do miss stuff and I can see that boater facilities could easily be overlooked. The way to go would be for boaters when seeing there is a potential loss of amenities to bring it to the attention of the council Phil
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2019 8:48:10 GMT
Eta although the Thames is EA direct discharge into the river is not legal despite it being allowed on some other EA navigations such as the Nene. Probably because the rich live alongside the Thames and the poor along the Nene?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:48:25 GMT
As for Lufbra I lived there for a few months (university) above Bishop Meadow lock I thought there was an elsan point at the lock. Can't really remember but I don't recall going to town centre to do the deed. There is a massive shit farm beside the straight cut above the lock. I'm sure there was an elsan there somewhere as some of the moorings there are proper residential with services. Eta looks like its gone as they say Loughborough basin. That's pretty naff for a paid for residential mooring. www.watersidemooring.com/547-bishop-meadow-l1Obviously if you are ducking and diving you can't expect too much but you would think an official residential mooring would have proper disposal for black water.
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Post by thebfg on May 1, 2019 8:48:54 GMT
Planning permission is probably not the best term for it, as its usually a deal done with cart to get the project off the ground before the council are involved. So I'd suggest it's nothing to do with the council. The thing that worrys me is as other people have said people will start dumping their toilets contents into the cut and just leaving their domestic waste lying around. This will then become a public health issue and will be used as leverage against boaters living on boats. It should be done as part of a Section 106 agreement which is used to mitigate the impact of the development on the local infrastructure and community. Often forgotten about by developers after PP is granted. I read the s106. It fails to mention facilities' however it does refer to another application for the actual basin but I cant find it.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2019 8:51:09 GMT
Yes I understand Phil, but I doubt the council are involved in the deals done over boaters facilities. I don't know where the next facilities towards Leicester are, but the next the other way are Trent lock. bring it to the attention of the council Phone the Mayor and say you're coming round to her house to empty your elsan down her lavatory, because the local boaters' facilities have been closed, thanks partly to her.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:53:41 GMT
bring it to the attention of the council Phone the Mayor and say you're coming round to her house to empty your elsan down her lavatory, because the local boaters' facilities have been closed, thanks partly to her. For a few cans of special brew and the loan of a ladder Mr Stabby will empty it down her chimney now that WOULD be effective.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 9:08:39 GMT
Yes I understand Phil, but I doubt the council are involved in the deals done over boaters facilities. I don't know where the next facilities towards Leicester are, but the next the other way are Trent lock. Maybe they just closed it because you are around ? Once you continue with your bona fide navigation they'll reopen it twat
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Post by wellyftw on May 1, 2019 9:14:17 GMT
To be honest showers are a rarity away from the L&L, although you do encounter them occasionally. But elsans and skips are essential, and removal of these facilities is a very serious matter. Last time we visited Aylesbury there was a couple living in the service block. They'd set up camp beds, and had electrical equipment plugged in. I used the elsan and left them in peace, just thankfull for my good fortune in life. Rog Are there showers on the L&L? Well, I shall look forward to seeing those! Luckily I've got showers at work so at the moment my water tank is lasting me for four weeks!
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 9:16:38 GMT
Yes I understand Phil, but I doubt the council are involved in the deals done over boaters facilities. I don't know where the next facilities towards Leicester are, but the next the other way are Trent lock. Hmm,yes you are probably right, councils do miss stuff and I can see that boater facilities could easily be overlooked. The way to go would be for boaters when seeing there is a potential loss of amenities to bring it to the attention of the council Phil now that is a good idea Phil get the council to apply pressure on the developer to reopen the facilities. Which dept do you think planning or environmental health?
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 9:17:52 GMT
To be honest showers are a rarity away from the L&L, although you do encounter them occasionally. But elsans and skips are essential, and removal of these facilities is a very serious matter. Last time we visited Aylesbury there was a couple living in the service block. They'd set up camp beds, and had electrical equipment plugged in. I used the elsan and left them in peace, just thankfull for my good fortune in life. Rog Are there showers on the L&L? Well, I shall look forward to seeing those! Luckily I've got showers at work so at the moment my water tank is lasting me for four weeks! there aren't many three between leeds and the summit.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 9:22:39 GMT
It seems the reason given for closing facilities is homeless people taking up residence in the facilities. I'd suggest that cart need to change the key system then. To a key that is not so easily available. Maybe a magnetic swipe card that is issued new with the liscence every year. This would stop boaters who don't pay a luscence having access as well. Yes it would cost money to instal, but I'd suggest it would save lots of money in the long term. Oh I forget the managment aren't planning on being around long term.
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