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Post by NigelMoore on May 9, 2019 18:54:33 GMT
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Post by bodger on May 9, 2019 19:21:30 GMT
Yes and I have left the top of the mounting tube open because one of the designed features of trolling motors is that the motor heat will help to evaporate any water which gets past the lip seals on the prop shaft into the motor housing. They did realise that fishing line would get wrapped around it and breach the seals So however tempting it might be to plug the top of the tube with goo on a modified unit like this its a bad idea never occurred to me. I removed the control gear from my MK and recently sealed the top of the shaft tube - I'll have to change that. many thanks! .................. and yes, I have suffered the dreaded fishing line in the seals.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 20:54:21 GMT
Nice bit of gear but overly £xp£nsiv£ A few discussions around about whether it is more efficient than propellers but I have a suspicion that a properly laid out twin prop pedal driven canoe would win the tug of war but it would probably be more expensive as a consumer product. Plus of course efficient props which are similar to those used on remote control aircraft can't deal with weed. Oddly enough I have an APC 10x14 prop beside me at the moment begging me to do a pedal drive system This one
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Post by NigelMoore on May 9, 2019 21:20:22 GMT
Nice bit of gear but overly £xp£nsiv£ A few discussions around about whether it is more efficient than propellers but I have a suspicion that a properly laid out twin prop pedal driven canoe would win the tug of war but it would probably be more expensive as a consumer product. Plus of course efficient props which are similar to those used on remote control aircraft can't deal with weed. Ludicrously expensive, true enough. I waited for over 20 years, and had alerts on second hand sites before finding a tandem at the right (but still very painful) price. Used ones don't come up for sale that often either. I saw videos of a few tug of wars between the Hobie and standard paddled kayaks when they first came out back in 1997. It took two Olympic champions in a tandem to (just) beat the inventor in a single ‘Hobie’. They have also come out in front of the various prop-driven pedalled kayaks. Surprising how fit you have to be though.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 21:30:54 GMT
I can understand why you chose the tandem option. Thats not a comment on your physical fitness.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 9, 2019 22:51:42 GMT
If you do a few miles most days in a kayak, either pedal or paddle powered, you won't regret it and the cup of tea afterwards tastes very sweet. Just now you'll have the pleasure of female ducks doing side to flapping movements just in front of the kayak, mouths help open in a threatening gesture, while the babies are safely tucked under a bush 400 yards back. Canada goose attacks are a bit of a pain though, and I'll pull to the side if a family of swans are around.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 7:35:50 GMT
I go out every day on my kayak for a little paddle. Not particularly far and about a mile away there is currently a swan nest with quite an active male who patrols his security cordon quite rigorously.
Its best to be nice to the swans. I usually talk to them quietly and kindly "good afternoon, I am not here to eat your babies its OK" and respectfully pass without any aggressive body language while he escorts me off the property.
Obviously I could just whack him in the neck with my paddle and he knows that so he will not engage unless I take the lead. Once engaged they are fairly dangerous.
I did see a swan almost sink a canoeist but the reason was because the bloke immediately engaged the swan by swearing and waving his paddle about. The swan was simply escorting him past the security zone. No need to get lairy but once engaged the swan managed to force him to the side where he had to scramble out of a half sunk canoe, still swearing at the swan.
If he had been polite and allowed the swan to escort him nothing bad would have happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 8:03:46 GMT
Thinking of one of these on the battery box. Quite nice to have cumulative energy consumption. Alternative is the rc model meters but they are not panel mount so much less tidy. If I put a current limit non the speed controller to keep it below the 20a max then it should be OK. This one does not need a shunt. rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F223393416423£8.60. Might be tinny maybe an analog ammeter is better.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 8:08:22 GMT
The swan was simply escorting him past the security zone. Would this swan be working for M15 or MI6?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 8:15:51 GMT
No it was just a swan. The problem with canoeists being aggressive with swans is that the swan learns that canoes are a threat and becomes more wary. Its annoying. The swan doesn't want to get into a fight with the human because the human could so easily kill it.
But they will try and make it clear you need to leave. Very clear.
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Post by JohnV on May 10, 2019 8:15:54 GMT
Thinking of one of these on the battery box. Quite nice to have cumulative energy consumption. Alternative is the rc model meters but they are not panel mount so much less tidy. If I put a current limit non the speed controller to keep it below the 20a max then it should be OK. This one does not need a shunt. rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F223393416423£8.60. Might be tinny maybe an analog ammeter is better. I have one of the higher power versions (with a shunt) I find it great for monitoring the domestic battery bank, it is particularly useful for lithiums as it gives the voltage to two decimal points
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Post by NigelMoore on May 10, 2019 10:06:56 GMT
A few discussions around about whether it is more efficient than propellers but I have a suspicion that a properly laid out twin prop pedal driven canoe would win the tug of war . . . Tug of war between Hobie drive and prop-pedalled kayaks – Original tug of war between Hobie and paddled kayaks – Never came across a twin-prop pedal system though.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 10, 2019 10:39:25 GMT
I go out every day on my kayak for a little paddle. Not particularly far and about a mile away there is currently a swan nest with quite an active male who patrols his security cordon quite rigorously. Its best to be nice to the swans. I usually talk to them quietly and kindly "good afternoon, I am not here to eat your babies its OK" and respectfully pass without any aggressive body language while he escorts me off the property. Obviously I could just whack him in the neck with my paddle and he knows that so he will not engage unless I take the lead. Once engaged they are fairly dangerous. I did see a swan almost sink a canoeist but the reason was because the bloke immediately engaged the swan by swearing and waving his paddle about. The swan was simply escorting him past the security zone. No need to get lairy but once engaged the swan managed to force him to the side where he had to scramble out of a half sunk canoe, still swearing at the swan. If he had been polite and allowed the swan to escort him nothing bad would have happened. Thanks for the info re. swans. The areas where I spend much of the year don't have any, fortunately. In a month or so though I'll be in an area that usually has 2 or 3 pairs of them. Whenever I've come across them before I get to the side pronto and get out of the kayak. The way they flare their wings out, put their head between their wings and bear down on you, scares me a bit to be honest. Are you saying that if I ignore it, keep to the opposite side of the canal to his family, it will just come fairly close (but no more than that) and allow me past without attacking me? I'm ready to defend myself but although I'm not keen on swans, I wouldn't want to hurt one. Funny how you get certain birds on some bits of canal but not others. I haven't seen a swan on the Macc for over 30 years yet there are a good few on the T&M around Middlewich, especially later in the year. The upper Macc is infested with canada geese yet on the 8 miles or so of the lower bit of the canal I've only seen one pair of them.
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Post by NigelMoore on May 10, 2019 11:50:54 GMT
I go out every day on my kayak for a little paddle. Not particularly far and about a mile away there is currently a swan nest with quite an active male who patrols his security cordon quite rigorously. Its best to be nice to the swans. I usually talk to them quietly and kindly "good afternoon, I am not here to eat your babies its OK" and respectfully pass without any aggressive body language while he escorts me off the property. Obviously I could just whack him in the neck with my paddle and he knows that so he will not engage unless I take the lead. Once engaged they are fairly dangerous. I did see a swan almost sink a canoeist but the reason was because the bloke immediately engaged the swan by swearing and waving his paddle about. The swan was simply escorting him past the security zone. No need to get lairy but once engaged the swan managed to force him to the side where he had to scramble out of a half sunk canoe, still swearing at the swan. If he had been polite and allowed the swan to escort him nothing bad would have happened. Are you saying that if I ignore it, keep to the opposite side of the canal to his family, it will just come fairly close (but no more than that) and allow me past without attacking me? As with all animal behaviour theories, it does not always work that way. We went on a pub crawl with 4 adults in an electric powered dory up a river with 3 broods of swans a few years ago. The first two behaved properly, the 3rd party's male huffed and puffed alongside us until we were well past his family, then obviously decided that he had not made his point strongly enough. He took off after us and clipped the lady at the helm over the back of her head.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 12:10:19 GMT
Maybe it doesn't always work but I find it quite reliable. There will always be an occasional extra annoying swan about. The worst I have had was an agitated swan when I was passing a nest in my dinghy. It flew up and whacked its wing in the water beside me sending a load of spray at me.
I will not personally indemnify anyone against swan attacks but I believe they are unlikely unless you appear to be a direct threat.
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