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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2019 19:29:20 GMT
errr ...... did you read the news article ? 2.7 trillion isn't someone's opinion it's a fact Yes I read it. We may well be discussing different things here. Peter predicted that May 2019 would see the collapse of the Eu financially. I was pointing out that he was wrong. I also don’t believe it will happen anytime soon. I don’t think we will leave the Eu either. Just my thoughts. Ah maybe we are. I do believe the EU will implode at some point ..... but not tomorrow. I do think the euro will go first as basically it is supported by Germany who, although the bankers and many of the vast German companies are doing very well out of the euro (Both have massive surpluses in their accounts) Average Germans are suffering very badly with living standards falling quite badly .... all unsustainable and likely to cause major political problems. Euro centralists are gaining more ground in the political corridors of power but in the general populations of many countries the trend is the reverse, again an unsustainable situation. If you are interested in what is wrong with the EU, listening to some of the talks by Yanis Varoufakis is well worthwhile. We differ in that he believes the EU can be changed and made to work properly whereas I believe it can't (He's a remoaner and I'm a let's bugger off quickly before it goes tits up ist)
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Post by JohnV on Jul 4, 2019 19:30:15 GMT
Trouble is, the promised roses are fertilised with shit from unicorns fed on the fruit of the german magic money tree. ftfy You could do with listening to Yanis as well ..... remember he's a remoaner ...... but lacks your rose tinted glasses
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 4, 2019 21:42:09 GMT
The EU is bankrupt anyway - it's only the money they're sucking out of the gullible Brits that's holding the whole rickety rotten pyramid scam up.
If the EU is so flush, then the Germans won't mind paying everybody all the compensation they owe, eh?
Just think of all the money the UK is haemorrhaging every day with all the train tickets money going to Deutsche Bahn! They take the money but don't want to spend much cleaning their trains.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 5, 2019 14:59:27 GMT
Just look at this bunch of traitorous mongs! "The Liberal Democrats are a disgrace. These are meant to be serious people representing The U.K., not a bunch of attention-seeking schoolchildren. Anne Widdecombe is an insane old biddy who should be committed." "Regardless of anyone’s position on Brexit, these people are there to represent the U.K. The sight of some wearing “Bollox to Brexit” t-shirts and others turning their backs before unleashing that appalling mental old crone, just makes The UK appear childish and ignorant. Whether you agree with Brexit or not, the whole unedifying spectacle looked more like a 6th form protest about not wearing a tie than political parties representing a Country (which used to stand for dignity and decency) which has serious work ahead."
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 5, 2019 15:08:15 GMT
ex-Lib Dem MP for Richmond Park, Sarah Olney "I fancy that in the 3.40pm"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 15:09:13 GMT
naughtyfox suggesting ANYBODY else appears childish and ignorant ! Priceless Rog
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Post by patty on Jul 5, 2019 16:40:04 GMT
I'm not sure what our bad mannered lot thought they were achieving by turning their backs except to show... how bad mannered they were
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 23:36:21 GMT
Trouble is, the promised roses are fertilised with shit from unicorns fed on the fruit of the tory magic money tree. No no no, you're thinking of Corbyn. He seems to have the magic money tree at this moment in time. He's always bleating about spending more money on everything. Evidently he voted to leave the EU as well. 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 23:41:38 GMT
I'm not sure what our bad mannered lot thought they were achieving by turning their backs except to show... how bad mannered they were Protest comes in many forms. This one looked peaceful enough, and attracted the attention it sought. It was a simple protest, that's all.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 7, 2019 1:56:08 GMT
Who said it was the National anthem? Its the anthem of the EU parliament. Ode to Joy! The ignorant back turners prefer the Ode to Misery on the Road to Disaster. well, I would say the president of the E.U did. by saying "the anthem of another country". his words. but never mind
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 7, 2019 7:38:48 GMT
The only reason Labour want to remain is because someone once told them that it's racist to leave. A bit like if someone is offended by something that's offence, if someone says something is racist then it's racist. Labour don't want to be associated with racists so they want to remain. If it wasn't racist to want to leave Labour would vote leave like a shot. After all, one of the successes of labour over their history has been the trade union movement, why would a party wish their core supporters to become further impoverished by 'equalisation' with poorer workers from overseas? The unions used to be 'closed shops', set up by Labour, quashed by Thatcher. Why would Labour vote for the 'open shop' of freedom of movement? It doesn't make sense. Didn't they listen to Tony Blair when he said "It's not racist to have concerns about migration?"
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Post by JohnV on Jul 7, 2019 8:20:41 GMT
Didn't they listen to Tony Blair when he said "It's not racist to have concerns about migration?" mark you ..... he was the tosser that opened the floodgate
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Post by Gone on Jul 7, 2019 9:04:46 GMT
The only reason Labour want to remain is because someone once told them that it's racist to leave. A bit like if someone is offended by something that's offence, if someone says something is racist then it's racist. Labour don't want to be associated with racists so they want to remain. If it wasn't racist to want to leave Labour would vote leave like a shot. After all, one of the successes of labour over their history has been the trade union movement, why would a party wish their core supporters to become further impoverished by 'equalisation' with poorer workers from overseas? The unions used to be 'closed shops', set up by Labour, quashed by Thatcher. Why would Labour vote for the 'open shop' of freedom of movement? It doesn't make sense. Didn't they listen to Tony Blair when he said "It's not racist to have concerns about migration?" Currently Labour is between a rock and a hard place, it’s traditional working class (union) voters in the midlands and north mainly want to quit the eu, but the London lovvies and lefties of Islington and similar areas want to remain. So labour needs both, so tries to please both by sitting on the fence. Give it a few more years and it will abandon the working class when there are enough votes from the London lefties.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 9:11:11 GMT
I think the National Labour Party were as happy as anyone (very quietly) when the government of the day broke the backs of the unions. I believe the Labour Party abandoned 'traditional working classes' a while back, after all we're all middle class now I often wonder how history may have changed if John Smith had not died untimely. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 9:13:06 GMT
The only reason Labour want to remain is because someone once told them that it's racist to leave. A bit like if someone is offended by something that's offence, if someone says something is racist then it's racist. Labour don't want to be associated with racists so they want to remain. If it wasn't racist to want to leave Labour would vote leave like a shot. After all, one of the successes of labour over their history has been the trade union movement, why would a party wish their core supporters to become further impoverished by 'equalisation' with poorer workers from overseas? The unions used to be 'closed shops', set up by Labour, quashed by Thatcher. Why would Labour vote for the 'open shop' of freedom of movement? It doesn't make sense. Didn't they listen to Tony Blair when he said "It's not racist to have concerns about migration?" Currently Labour is between a rock and a hard place, it’s traditional working class (union) voters in the midlands and north mainly want to quit the eu, but the London lovvies and lefties of Islington and similar areas want to remain. So labour needs both, so tries to please both by sitting on the fence. Give it a few more years and it will abandon the working class when there are enough votes from the London lefties. Did I mention we need a new non-party based political system with leaders who actually give a shit?....
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