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Post by kris on Aug 13, 2019 15:01:41 GMT
At the risk of turning into magnetman and making demands on Nigel or Tony I have a question. I know of three people now who are or have been refused liscences on their boats because of no safety cert, whilst there certificates still have some time to run. Admittedly they only have months left on their certs, but as I understood it as long as the cert is in date then a liscence has to be issued. They did it to one friend of mine last year and made him get a new cert whilst still having just under six months still remaining on the cert. I'm just wondering what the legal situation is.
regards Kris
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Post by Jim on Aug 13, 2019 15:08:40 GMT
I doubt they have a leg to stand on, the act doesn't say that. However as we all know, they will push it to court, your friends probably don't have the wherewithal to do that. Great if they do, go for it. Pragmatically, suck it up and get a BSS. What's the "cost" of getting it a few months early, Ā£20 or less.
Wouldn't it be a judicial review or something, if CRT are not acting within the law? I.E, striking first, take the initiative?
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 13, 2019 15:12:16 GMT
Don't know, but I'd say a valid BSS (certificate) would mean you are entitled to a CRT licence, you have met their requirements. It would be up to you to renew the BSS. Without it, of course, your CRT licence should/would become invalid. And also your insurance would/should become invalid if the BSS 'sell-by' date has gone.
I think the BSS should be yearly - but at a quarter of the current price, of course. Boats should be in good order, as far as the gas systems are concerned. Anything else is largely irrelevant.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 13, 2019 15:13:16 GMT
I don't know what the overlap timescale is but if you get a BSS while your current one is till valid, it runs from the date your last certificate ends.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 15:15:17 GMT
I don't know what the overlap timescale is but if you get a BSS while your current one is till valid, it runs from the date your last certificate ends. It's up to two months before expiry.
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Post by Jim on Aug 13, 2019 15:19:23 GMT
Playing devil's advocate, are your friends squeaky clean or have they been pushing the boundaries, not that that is wrong necessarily but it can inflame the situation?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 15:21:08 GMT
Sounds like they (CRT) are not adhering to their own information.
A quick check of the web site simply says the BSC has to be valid. It makes no mention that I can find that says the BSC has to have a specific amount of time before expiry.
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Post by Jim on Aug 13, 2019 15:21:22 GMT
Don't know, but I'd say a valid BSS (certificate) would mean you are entitled to a CRT licence, you have met their requirements. It would be up to you to renew the BSS. Without it, of course, your CRT licence should/would become invalid. And also your insurance would/should become invalid if the BSS 'sell-by' date has gone. I think the BSS should be yearly - but at a quarter of the current price, of course. Boats should be in good order, as far as the gas systems are concerned. Anything else is largely irrelevant. Will you hush up and stop giving Debbiefiggy ideas. She will claim them as her own you know. Afternoon Debs!
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Post by kris on Aug 13, 2019 15:22:28 GMT
That's all very well, but my friend last year had nearly six months to run. Which is nearly an eighth of the cert length, seems a bit excessive and I doubt it's legal. It also seems to becoming increasingly common so must be a new policy on carts behalf. I know of other people who have been in similar situations who have phoned up and is sited it isn't legal and got a liscence issued.
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Post by kris on Aug 13, 2019 15:23:03 GMT
Playing devil's advocate, are your friends squeaky clean or have they been pushing the boundaries, not that that is wrong necessarily but it can inflame the situation? Fuck off.
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Post by Jim on Aug 13, 2019 15:23:14 GMT
Don't know, but I'd say a valid BSS (certificate) would mean you are entitled to a CRT licence, you have met their requirements. It would be up to you to renew the BSS. Without it, of course, your CRT licence should/would become invalid. And also your insurance would/should become invalid if the BSS 'sell-by' date has gone. I think the BSS should be yearly - but at a quarter of the current price, of course. Boats should be in good order, as far as the gas systems are concerned. Anything else is largely irrelevant. Will you hush up and stop giving Debbiefiggy ideas. She will claim them as her own you know. Afternoon Debs! Most of us are happy with 4 year cycle.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 13, 2019 15:23:32 GMT
Playing devil's advocate, are your friends squeaky clean or have they been pushing the boundaries, not that that is wrong necessarily but it can inflame the situation? Are they displaying current CRT licences at all? Or are they displaying current CRT licences printed out to the size of a postage stamp?
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Post by Jim on Aug 13, 2019 15:24:31 GMT
Playing devil's advocate, are your friends squeaky clean or have they been pushing the boundaries, not that that is wrong necessarily but it can inflame the situation? Fuck off. ššššš When I see a sign saying "Do Not Press This Button".... š¤£š¤£š¤£
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 13, 2019 15:25:29 GMT
Playing devil's advocate, are your friends squeaky clean or have they been pushing the boundaries, not that that is wrong necessarily but it can inflame the situation? Fuck off. It is, sadly, posts like this, that are not encouraging new members joining TB.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 13, 2019 15:25:53 GMT
In the same way that a car MOT only has to valid at the start of a new VED, a BSS only has to be valid at the start of the new licence period.
Are you sure they are not applying early for a licence, with the BSS valid at the time of application but not at the time when the new licence becomes required?
If not Iād suggest a formal complaint to CRT and if that fails, to the Ombudsman. At least it gets it into the public domain.
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