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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 20, 2019 20:30:27 GMT
"A man has appeared in court charged with murdering a police officer who was killed while investigating a burglary. Jed Foster, 20, appeared at Reading Magistrates' Court charged with the murder of 28-year-old PC Andrew Harper, and the theft of a quad bike. PC Harper, of Thames Valley Police, died on Thursday after being dragged along the road by a vehicle in Sulhamstead, Berkshire. Mr Foster has been remanded to appear at Reading Crown Court on Wednesday". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-49405179Now, if I was charged with murder of a police officer, I'm sure I would be described as "a lorry driver" yet there seems to be a complete news blackout on describing Jed Foster as "a pikey". And I can't help feeling that if the Police had been less timid in their dealings with pikeys in the past then there might be no need for all this hand-wringing about the "death of one of their own". Why are these people allowed to thieve with impunity?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 20, 2019 20:48:05 GMT
"A man has appeared in court charged with murdering a police officer who was killed while investigating a burglary. Jed Foster, 20, appeared at Reading Magistrates' Court charged with the murder of 28-year-old PC Andrew Harper, and the theft of a quad bike. PC Harper, of Thames Valley Police, died on Thursday after being dragged along the road by a vehicle in Sulhamstead, Berkshire. Mr Foster has been remanded to appear at Reading Crown Court on Wednesday". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-49405179Now, if I was charged with murder of a police officer, I'm sure I would be described as "a lorry driver" yet there seems to be a complete news blackout on describing Jed Foster as "a pikey". And I can't help feeling that if the Police had been less timid in their dealings with pikeys in the past then there might be no need for all this hand-wringing about the "death of one of their own". Why are these people allowed to thieve with impunity? Your credibility is lost due to comparing apples and oranges. “Lorry driver” is an occupation. “Pikey” is a term of abuse that refers to an ethnic group. I know you didn’t go to a proper school but surely even you can understand that an ethnic group descriptor doesn’t equate to a job descriptor. But that said, according to the Daily Mail yes you are right, due to PC, Pikeys do rob with impunity and get away with murder. Oh, maybe not quite that last bit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 20:53:03 GMT
"A man has appeared in court charged with murdering a police officer who was killed while investigating a burglary. Jed Foster, 20, appeared at Reading Magistrates' Court charged with the murder of 28-year-old PC Andrew Harper, and the theft of a quad bike. PC Harper, of Thames Valley Police, died on Thursday after being dragged along the road by a vehicle in Sulhamstead, Berkshire. Mr Foster has been remanded to appear at Reading Crown Court on Wednesday". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-49405179Now, if I was charged with murder of a police officer, I'm sure I would be described as "a lorry driver" yet there seems to be a complete news blackout on describing Jed Foster as "a pikey". And I can't help feeling that if the Police had been less timid in their dealings with pikeys in the past then there might be no need for all this hand-wringing about the "death of one of their own". Why are these people allowed to thieve with impunity? Irrespective of his background or where he comes from there is a developing sub class in our society that seem to think they are above the law and can act with impunity. This is typified by this low lifes mother who is clearly in some sort of denial claiming 'he wasnt even there' whilst clutching a superman teddy. Some people just dont think the law and rules apply to them, they they will lie to authorities all the way through life as long as it protects themselves and their immediate family. If this fella is found guilty he should hang as I suggested in another thread. That might act as a deterrant to the current wave of attacks on our police forces. Our police should be routinely armed too. If they had shot the lowlife on scene Andrew Harper may have been able to go on his honeymoon this week.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 20, 2019 20:55:18 GMT
Well, Pikeys are not an ethnic group, any more than "golfers" or "birdwatchers" are, the word describes a chosen lifestyle and behaviour and the participants can be of any race. The point is that if the Police had been less inclined to ignore their behaviour when it only impacted citizens, then they might not be about to bury one of their own.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 20:58:06 GMT
Well, Pikeys are not an ethnic group, any more than "golfers" or "birdwatchers" are, the word describes a chosen lifestyle and behaviour and the participants can be of any race. The point is that if the Police had been less inclined to ignore their behaviour when it only impacted citizens, then they might not be about to bury one of their own. Isnt it a fact they were not ignoring the perpetrators behaviour?
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 20, 2019 21:24:24 GMT
Well, Pikeys are not an ethnic group, any more than "golfers" or "birdwatchers" are, the word describes a chosen lifestyle and behaviour and the participants can be of any race. The point is that if the Police had been less inclined to ignore their behaviour when it only impacted citizens, then they might not be about to bury one of their own. You are confused. Bless! Although I am inclined to agree with your second sentence.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 20, 2019 21:25:58 GMT
I think more to the point is that we shouldn’t be expecting our police to single handedly and unarmed, tackle suspected burglar gangs in the middle of nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 21:29:07 GMT
I think more to the point is that we shouldn’t be expecting our police to single handedly and unarmed, tackle suspected burglar gangs in the middle of nowhere. But I think he had a (police) partner with him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 21:33:32 GMT
I think more to the point is that we shouldn’t be expecting our police to single handedly and unarmed, tackle suspected burglar gangs in the middle of nowhere. The officer that was with him is recieving support. However yes, niether of them should have been unarmed.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 20, 2019 21:35:29 GMT
I think more to the point is that we shouldn’t be expecting our police to single handedly and unarmed, tackle suspected burglar gangs in the middle of nowhere. But I think he had a (police) partner with him. If so, that has passed me by. Do you have a link to support your statetment?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 20, 2019 21:40:29 GMT
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Post by bodger on Aug 20, 2019 21:47:38 GMT
I think more to the point is that we shouldn’t be expecting our police to single handedly and unarmed, tackle suspected burglar gangs in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps you are over-simplifying the situation. In a more civilised neighbourhood if one man was caught burgling (say, on a council estate) by the fuzz, anyone else witnessing the event would probably creep away in order to avoid seeming to be complicit. If the policemen were not aware that the man they tried to apprehend was from the local traveller camp it might be reasonable to assume a similar reaction. Unfortunately 'travellers' (pikeys) do not behave like that and that is probably why so many suspects were arrested, having come out of the woodwork to support their mate. Unfortunately the creeping changes made over the past 50 years by the PC brigade have left a basically civilised society with no recourse against scrotes who have no respect for our society. The process of the law appears to be soft on the criminal and uncaring for the victim. It is hard to argue that such scrotes should not hang when they kill the very people we employ to keep us safe. If pikeys believe they are a law to themselves (which from experience I know is generally the case) then the norms of our civilised society should not apply to them.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 20, 2019 22:18:29 GMT
I think more to the point is that we shouldn’t be expecting our police to single handedly and unarmed, tackle suspected burglar gangs in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps you are over-simplifying the situation. In a more civilised neighbourhood if one man was caught burgling (say, on a council estate) by the fuzz, anyone else witnessing the event would probably creep away in order to avoid seeming to be complicit. If the policemen were not aware that the man they tried to apprehend was from the local traveller camp it might be reasonable to assume a similar reaction. Unfortunately 'travellers' (pikeys) do not behave like that and that is probably why so many suspects were arrested, having come out of the woodwork to support their mate. Unfortunately the creeping changes made over the past 50 years by the PC brigade have left a basically civilised society with no recourse against scrotes who have no respect for our society. The process of the law appears to be soft on the criminal and uncaring for the victim. It is hard to argue that such scrotes should not hang when they kill the very people we employ to keep us safe. If pikeys believe they are a law to themselves (which from experience I know is generally the case) then the norms of our civilised society should not apply to them. The only issue is that travellers do seem to feel they are a law unto themselves. You only have to look at NBTA members. It is that aspect that needs to be dealt with, nothing else. Although it also has to be mentioned that with the severe reduction in police numbers and the tying of those remaining to paperwork, many other sectors of society also feel they are not constrained by the law and can act with impunity.
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Post by patty on Aug 21, 2019 6:27:59 GMT
These travellers had caused problems, it seems for a while. Trouble is when folks get away with crime they seem to become arrogant and have scant regard for others lives. But its not just Pikeys is it?..they r seem as lowlife by many but their attitude runs through many aspects of society.. There are many who have no respect for our 'boys in blue' who do a very difficult job ..yeah occasionally they get it wrong but there are only human.
I don't think arming them is the solution but guidelines on responding to situations where pikeys are involved need setting up..more back up..oh wait we r a bit short of police..... Theres lots I could say..a real rant, but I won't. I feel angry that a young man doing his job died at the hands of these individuals..and its not just the man behind the wheel.. It brings back memories of a friends son who was a cop and deliberately run over, then had the car reversed back over him...years and years ago...he survived horrific injuries but Ive heard this story many many times as my old friend cannot process. Many lives have been wrecked by this act of mindless brutality..may the perpetrator rot in jail.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2019 6:50:02 GMT
"A man has appeared in court charged with murdering a police officer who was killed while investigating a burglary. Jed Foster, 20, appeared at Reading Magistrates' Court charged with the murder of 28-year-old PC Andrew Harper, and the theft of a quad bike. PC Harper, of Thames Valley Police, died on Thursday after being dragged along the road by a vehicle in Sulhamstead, Berkshire. Mr Foster has been remanded to appear at Reading Crown Court on Wednesday". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-49405179Now, if I was charged with murder of a police officer, I'm sure I would be described as "a lorry driver" yet there seems to be a complete news blackout on describing Jed Foster as "a pikey". And I can't help feeling that if the Police had been less timid in their dealings with pikeys in the past then there might be no need for all this hand-wringing about the "death of one of their own". Why are these people allowed to thieve with impunity? Your credibility is lost due to comparing apples and oranges. “Lorry driver” is an occupation. “Pikey” is... ...another term describing an occupation which involves parking your fleet of 4x4 cars, caravans and mobile homes on any green spot you fancy, generally shitting up the place with rubbish then moving on when the stink becomes too unbearable, tarmaccing people's drives whilst they're away at work and then demanding payment with menaces, and thieving. "Am yet to find one positive that 'travellers' bring to society."
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