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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 9:22:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 9:52:35 GMT
Maybe we should have a referendum about it - our politicians can't seem to decide what is best so let's put it to the people...  |
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Post by lollygagger on Aug 21, 2019 9:57:35 GMT
HS2 is a great example of how two-faced our politicians are. All that money magically available to enable a few toffs to get from London to their holiday cottages for a weekend. Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 10:02:35 GMT
Ground works have already started on the Oxford canal summit ... looks like a convention for heavy plant ! No doubt other areas of countryside are also being despoiled as we speak. Hope someone decides before too much damage is done  Rog |
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Post by bills on Aug 21, 2019 10:18:02 GMT
HS2 is a great example of how two-faced our politicians are. All that money magically available to enable a few toffs to get from London to their holiday cottages for a weekend. Disgusting. Do toffs really have holiday cottages in Boimingaam? |
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Post by peterboat on Aug 21, 2019 10:31:16 GMT
I have mixed thoughts on this, the old lines could be used for freight freeing the roads up of polluting lorries a win win. Also in the future for more passenger movement when its to expensive for ICE cars to travel more than 10 miles a week
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Post by lollygagger on Aug 21, 2019 10:55:07 GMT
Trains eh?
If I want to nip 10 miles to Wigan it's £1.50/mile and no pre booking discounts. Even my crappy inefficient camper is miles cheaper, it gets to where I want and I can transport things in it door to door.
Who exactly is going to benefit from HS2? Certainly not your average Jo. Is it just another way to suck more money towards London? I'd say if it had any economic impact that would be it.
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Post by bodger on Aug 21, 2019 11:09:31 GMT
Trains eh? If I want to nip 10 miles to Wigan it's £1.50/mile and no pre booking discounts. Even my crappy inefficient camper is miles cheaper, it gets to where I want and I can transport things in it door to door. Who exactly is going to benefit from HS2? Certainly not your average Jo. Is it just another way to suck more money towards London? I'd say if it had any economic impact that would be it. who benefits from the Eurotunnel link, which is part of the same system and philosophy? I'll tell you - in the majority it's the average Jo. would you write off the entire rail system because it costs you £15 to get to Wigan. All sounds a bit small-minded and parochial. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 12:03:55 GMT
I used to live in Devon but most of my business clients were London based, whilst I worked from home a lot regular travel to London was required and only possible because of a two hour rail journey rather than four hours in a car. The vast majority of my day to day spending (i.e. food, petrol, beer, eating out etc.) was spent in Devon. Whilst my lifestyle wasn't an average jo one, on the whole it did transfer money from London to Devon. The 6.45/7am train out of Tiverton/Taunton was always ram packed with others doing the same.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 21, 2019 13:04:32 GMT
HS2 is a great example of how two-faced our politicians are. All that money magically available to enable a few toffs to get from London to their holiday cottages for a weekend. Disgusting. you're totally wrong. Infrastructure promotes business along the line and at the ends of the line ...... always has ..... always will. and don't confuse it with just people movement. Goods movement by rail is limited at the moment by capacity ...... removing a percentage of the passenger traffic frees up spaces for freight. This in turn gets rid of some road traffic. |
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 21, 2019 13:16:38 GMT
HS2 is a great example of how two-faced our politicians are. All that money magically available to enable a few toffs to get from London to their holiday cottages for a weekend. Disgusting. you're totally wrong. Infrastructure promotes business along the line and at the ends of the line ...... always has ..... always will. and don't confuse it with just people movement. Goods movement by rail is limited at the moment by capacity ...... removing a percentage of the passenger traffic frees up spaces for freight. This in turn gets rid of some road traffic. As usual in the U.K. we have been very slow to invest in transport infrastructure. Our railways really are crap compared to much of Europe. If we don’t build HS2, how long are we going to keep on relying on infrastructure built in Victorian times! Withslow and clanky overcrowded rolling stock. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 13:38:43 GMT
you're totally wrong. Infrastructure promotes business along the line and at the ends of the line ...... always has ..... always will. and don't confuse it with just people movement. Goods movement by rail is limited at the moment by capacity ...... removing a percentage of the passenger traffic frees up spaces for freight. This in turn gets rid of some road traffic. As usual in the U.K. we have been very slow to invest in transport infrastructure. Our railways really are crap compared to much of Europe. If we don’t build HS2, how long are we going to keep on relying on infrastructure built in Victorian times! Withslow and clanky overcrowded rolling stock. Withslow and clanky? Is that a firm of carriage makers? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 14:57:46 GMT
Maybe we should have a referendum about it - our politicians can't seem to decide what is best so let's put it to the people... I think we should have a "referendum" or to use the correct term a Plebiscite to decide on whether the death penalty should be allowed. Then we can hang the pikeys. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 14:58:42 GMT
HS2 will be built. Too much momentum to stop it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 15:01:03 GMT
HS2 is a great example of how two-faced our politicians are. All that money magically available to enable a few toffs to get from London to their holiday cottages for a weekend. Disgusting. No. HS2 is being built so that people can get away from Birmingham faster than is currently possible. HS means "high speed". Being a British railway thing this probably means about 93mph on average. |
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