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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2019 6:14:00 GMT
Can Jim list anything good the EU has done for the UK?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2019 6:26:07 GMT
Isn’t it amazing how those Remoaners who are crying out for democracy, resort to a bunch of unelected twats, who are appointed to the aristocracy, to force us to stay in Europe? A week before they were slagging off Big Lizzie for proroguing Parliament which was undemocratic by all accounts. Now they want the aristocracy to overturn a no deal Brexit. And they are so democratic, they don’t want an election.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 8, 2019 7:32:55 GMT
Wrong. 480 remainer mps are to blame. The 180 brexit mps are split between deal or no deal. The big stumbling block for agreeing anything are the 480 mps. So you are incorrect to state no remainers are to blame. Once again it's the mps that are wholly to blame, us mere citizens have had no say what So ever since the vote. You keep blaming us for all the issues but we have no choice, just like yourself. No not at all, it was and is a Tory Project, if they couldn't muster the votes in their own ranks they shouldn't have set about it. Its Tory MPs that are to blame, they are still at it, another one bites the dust today. Cameron was concerned about his majority, being threatened by nutty Nigel and the far right. He thought he could clear the air, instead we got a lingering foetid smell. That was 3 years ago, move on. The stalling is the 480 mps and the few of the others who can't decide how to move on either. To blame on anyone else is quite honestly, absurd.
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2019 8:09:21 GMT
opposition mp's don't count, they are not obliged to support a tory project. Such is democracy. Don't you work for the coop btw? A company operating on socialist principles.
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2019 8:13:21 GMT
Can Jim list anything good the EU has done for the UK? Just a quick one, got to go for a walk and pick some apples from a wild fruit tree I've spotted. Perhaps you could list the actual bad things, rather than the beliefs usually posted on here, "ruled by germans" etc. I know people believe these things, others believe vaccines are bad, beliefs can be honestly held, but wrong. Here you go, fullfact.org/europe/reciprocal-benefits/I see we wished to put our hard working polish wagon drivers at risk with inferior safety standards.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 8, 2019 9:33:45 GMT
"Immigration has pushed up house prices and hit pay packets for some. There was no “clear” benefit to the UK from low-skilled EU workers. Free movement rules meant immigration wasn’t always in the UK’s interest. The PM should end all preferential treatment for EU migrants post-Brexit. The recommendations from the Migration Advisory Committee incensed business leaders who said restrictions on low-skilled workers would lead to labour shortages and could push up food prices. But MAC chair Professor Alan Manning said firms in sectors such as hotels, catering, warehousing and the care sector should make their jobs more attractive to Brits." "They could think about finding ways to raise the wages, improve the terms and conditions so that these jobs become more attractive to UK residents.” "It found evidence that migration had dented wages for the poorest Brits by up to 5 per cent since 1997, pushed up unemployment and queues for council houses." Gina Miller - "The barmy old tart claims she “speaks for everybody”. No you don’t you vainglorious old bat, you speak for yourself, and for your rich poncy friends who want to get their housework, gardening and car valeting on the cheap from Eastern Europeans being paid poverty wages." "As to her cash, her former co-director, with her husband, in the very odd hedge fund SCM Private LLP, was Alexander Spencer-Churchill, grandson of the 10th Duke of Marlborough. Useful connections are probably not lacking. It showed an operating loss in 2017; the accounting basis was changed in 2018 but to my inexpert eye it doesn’t look capable of paying lawyers. Whatever’s paying for thwarting Brexit, it isn’t SCM, which is her only active UK business, so it’s got to be private funds or a secret benefactor." Twaddle about house prices! They have risen because not enough houses are being built at an affordable price, councils can no longer build social housing and have had to sell off some of their stock. I see. So the arrival of 3m+ financial refugees from Europe isn't part of the demand side of your statement that not enough houses are being built? By the way, house prices are set by the market, the market is the balance between demand and supply. Not, unfortunately for you, by some commie bloke who thinks markets are only for buying fruit and vegetables.
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Post by peterboat on Sept 8, 2019 9:39:17 GMT
opposition mp's don't count, they are not obliged to support a tory project. Such is democracy. Don't you work for the coop btw? A company operating on socialist principles. I thought they represented their constituents? which means that 60% of them should be voting leave!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 8, 2019 9:52:15 GMT
Can Jim list anything good the EU has done for the UK? I see we wished to put our hard working polish wagon drivers at risk with inferior safety standards. "even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter… If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.” (Boris Johnson MP, 9 July 2018) Given that the overwhelming majority of cyclists killed in collisions with HGVs in London are female (and have been for many years), even though the overwhelming majority of cyclists in London are male, then the answer might lie elsewhere other than HGV design? I mean, I appreciate that some things must not be said in the name of political correctness, but it is lives we are talking about here.
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2019 9:52:24 GMT
opposition mp's don't count, they are not obliged to support a tory project. Such is democracy. Don't you work for the coop btw? A company operating on socialist principles. I thought they represented their constituents? which means that 60% of them should be voting leave! 60%? Only just under 54% of those who voted, voted leave. MPs have always filtered the views of their constituents, is how the oldest democracy has survived. What if we all voted to nuke the Houses of Parliament because of the naughty MPs, but several million would suffer greatly in the process, some of them having voted for their own demise. It would be democracy, but not as we know it. By some warped reasoning, it would be the fair and right thing to do.
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2019 9:53:59 GMT
I see we wished to put our hard working polish wagon drivers at risk with inferior safety standards. "even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter… If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.” (Boris Johnson MP, 9 July 2018) Given that the overwhelming majority of cyclists killed in collisions with HGVs in London are female (and have been for many years), even though the overwhelming majority of cyclists in London are male, then the answer might lie elsewhere other than HGV design? I mean, I appreciate that some things must not be said in the name of political correctness, but it is lives we are talking about here. Misogynist wagon drivers?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 8, 2019 10:00:15 GMT
"even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter… If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.” (Boris Johnson MP, 9 July 2018) Given that the overwhelming majority of cyclists killed in collisions with HGVs in London are female (and have been for many years), even though the overwhelming majority of cyclists in London are male, then the answer might lie elsewhere other than HGV design? I mean, I appreciate that some things must not be said in the name of political correctness, but it is lives we are talking about here. Misogynist wagon drivers? Well, there you go. It is folk such as yourself who are unable to distinguish between opinion and fact who are responsible for these deaths.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 10:24:52 GMT
I see we wished to put our hard working polish wagon drivers at risk with inferior safety standards. "even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter… If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.” (Boris Johnson MP, 9 July 2018) Given that the overwhelming majority of cyclists killed in collisions with HGVs in London are female (and have been for many years), even though the overwhelming majority of cyclists in London are male, then the answer might lie elsewhere other than HGV design? I mean, I appreciate that some things must not be said in the name of political correctness, but it is lives we are talking about here. Where did this fact appear from?
As I understand it from 2006 to 2019 approx 220 male cyclist were killed in London v approx 120 female cyclists killed in London.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 8, 2019 10:28:32 GMT
"even though there had been a horrific spate of deaths, mainly of female cyclists, we were told that we had to wait for the EU to legislate on the matter… If a country cannot pass a law to save the lives of female cyclists - when that proposal is supported at every level of UK government - then I don't see how that country can truly be called independent.” (Boris Johnson MP, 9 July 2018) Given that the overwhelming majority of cyclists killed in collisions with HGVs in London are female (and have been for many years), even though the overwhelming majority of cyclists in London are male, then the answer might lie elsewhere other than HGV design? I mean, I appreciate that some things must not be said in the name of political correctness, but it is lives we are talking about here. Where did this fact appear from?
As I understand it from 2006 to 2019 approx 220 male cyclist were killed in London v approx 120 female cyclists killed in London.
According to Transport for London, women make only a quarter of our city’s bike journeys, yet they represent 39 per cent of adult cycling fatalities in the past six-and-a-half years. Analysis by the Evening Standard reveals something more stark, though: a much higher proportion of female cyclists die in HGV crashes than male cyclists. Of the 33 female deaths, 27 — or 82 per cent — were hit by lorries. Only 22 of the 51 men collided with lorries; www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/why-women-seem-to-be-more-vulnerable-around-traffic-blackspots-in-london-10341420.html
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2019 10:34:55 GMT
How many were hit by lorries turning left. I know someone it happened too, she wasn't undertaking, the wagon came past and turned left across her, mashed her under the back wheels. Lorry driver hadn't checked. Whether or not he had decent wing mirrors to minimise blind spots, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 10:36:37 GMT
Where did this fact appear from?
As I understand it from 2006 to 2019 approx 220 male cyclist were killed in London v approx 120 female cyclists killed in London.
According to Transport for London, women make only a quarter of our city’s bike journeys, yet they represent 39 per cent of adult cycling fatalities in the past six-and-a-half years. Analysis by the Evening Standard reveals something more stark, though: a much higher proportion of female cyclists die in HGV crashes than male cyclists. Of the 33 female deaths, 27 — or 82 per cent — were hit by lorries. Only 22 of the 51 men collided with lorries; www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/why-women-seem-to-be-more-vulnerable-around-traffic-blackspots-in-london-10341420.htmlThanks for the response, I might look into it a bit later as I'm slightly interested.
this bit bought a smile though - females get hit by lorries whereas men collide with lorries!...........
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