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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:39:42 GMT
Are CRT actually allowed to physically prevent passage through locks claiming water supply problems?
It seems a bit of a dodgy situation. Someone could deliberately alter the sluices on a river feeding the canal then close the locks because of low water levels.
I do realise there has been a general lack of rain recently but I also know that the river which ultimately feeds the Regents section of the Grand Union canal has loads of water in it. I was on it a few days ago plenty of water about and that was before the recent rainfall. Its the Colne which I think is being diverted somewhere around Uxbridge rather than being fed into the canal making its way down via lock bywashes as designed.
Just got me wondering about the legal status of a navigation authority putting chains and padlocks around handrails on locks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:48:24 GMT
Maureen Norton chains shut Marmonts Priory lock every evening to prevent people from attempting to navigate at night - something prohibited by the MLC in their bylaws.
Conversely, the EA chain OPEN certain lock vee gates on the Nene and Great Ouse to prevent navigation at times of Strong Stream Advice - anyone attempting to navigate at times of SSA are idiots.
See here.
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Post by patty on Sept 24, 2019 18:37:42 GMT
Theres no lack of rain here.....floods in Brum City Centre
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Post by pearley on Sept 24, 2019 18:49:13 GMT
The top paddles on Lock 29E on the HNC are chained because of 'vandalism'. Having phoned CRT and hour before we got there, and being promised someone would meet us, after waiting another 30 minutes, I had a good look at the chain and simply unravelled it and filled the lock.
A stoppage notice today states 'leakage in the canal bed", not vandalism.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 18:51:48 GMT
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Post by TonyDunkley on Sept 24, 2019 19:07:35 GMT
Maureen Norton chains shut Marmonts Priory lock every evening to prevent people from attempting to navigate at night - something prohibited by the MLC in their bylaws. Conversely, the EA chain OPEN certain lock vee gates on the Nene and Great Ouse to prevent navigation at times of Strong Stream Advice - anyone attempting to navigate at times of SSA are idiots. See here. That series of photo stills would have been better described as a - "Boat becoming a Weir" ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 19:17:17 GMT
Maureen Norton chains shut Marmonts Priory lock every evening to prevent people from attempting to navigate at night - something prohibited by the MLC in their bylaws. Conversely, the EA chain OPEN certain lock vee gates on the Nene and Great Ouse to prevent navigation at times of Strong Stream Advice - anyone attempting to navigate at times of SSA are idiots. See here. That series of photo stills would have been better described as a - "Boat becoming a Weir" ! They were moored up opposite Whitworths Mill in Wellingborough, instead of going to the nearby Toeslands builders merchants and getting some timber to bang into the river bed to keep them safe from floating onto the embankment footpath they chose the foolhardy option of setting off downstream in an underpowered boat Much wailing and gnashing of teeth about the EA not telling them soon enough the river was in flood, it has been raining for days with no let up, the river was a muddy brown soup - you didn't need to be around when Noah was busy boating to know it probably wasn't a good idea to be on the move in a less than agile motorized bath tub! The boat was recovered to Blackthorn marina, refitted and sold on. |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Sept 24, 2019 19:57:18 GMT
That series of photo stills would have been better described as a - "Boat becoming a Weir" ! They were moored up opposite Whitworths Mill in Wellingborough, instead of going to the nearby Toeslands builders merchants and getting some timber to bang into the river bed to keep them safe from floating onto the embankment footpath they chose the foolhardy option of setting off downstream in an underpowered boat Much wailing and gnashing of teeth about the EA not telling them soon enough the river was in flood, it has been raining for days with no let up, the river was a muddy brown soup - you didn't need to be around when Noah was busy boating to know it probably wasn't a good idea to be on the move in a less than agile motorized bath tub! The boat was recovered to Blackthorn marina, refitted and sold on. Why is it that some people appear to take leave of what little common sense they started with from the very moment they set foot aboard a boat ? If the river was high enough to threaten over-topping that wall alongside the park opposite the mill, it would have been running down past there at a really good lick. Did they manage to get the guide dogs off the boat safely ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 20:22:03 GMT
So I guess the Nene is not a PRN river then.
The thames is available 24/7 regardless of river conditions but the keepers hand out red cards if you arrive at a lock with red boards displayed. Its up to the skipper to decide what to do but advice is to seek safe haven and wait for river to return to yellow board status.
That's for powered craft.
I'm not aware of any locks being physically prevented from operation other than occasional breakdowns which are usually sorted quite quickly. When I say quickly I suppose 4 hours to do a cracked collar strap is actually quite a long time
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Post by Jim on Sept 24, 2019 21:40:17 GMT
We came up the Rochdale to find the lock in Newton Heath, next to the pub, padlocked at 1pm. Phoned cart, couldn't get there till 3! Also admitted it had been locked in error. I cut the last link before the padlock, left it in the pub, told cart and went on our merry way. Its no place to hang about, specially if your an off comer. They set mattresses as traps for em.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 6:40:44 GMT
So I guess the Nene is not a PRN river then. The thames is available 24/7 regardless of river conditions but the keepers hand out red cards if you arrive at a lock with red boards displayed. Its up to the skipper to decide what to do but advice is to seek safe haven and wait for river to return to yellow board status. That's for powered craft. I'm not aware of any locks being physically prevented from operation other than occasional breakdowns which are usually sorted quite quickly. When I say quickly I suppose 4 hours to do a cracked collar strap is actually quite a long time .. It is a PRN, the EA use their structures for flood control. You can still navigate between locks that are not reversed. Not much point though as bridge heights will also restrict navigation along with the fast currents that will cause most craft a fair headache. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 7:27:32 GMT
I remember how the Nene locks work yes that's a fair point. Different on the Thames where all flood management is dealt with by the weirs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 7:32:16 GMT
We came up the Rochdale to find the lock in Newton Heath, next to the pub, padlocked at 1pm. Phoned cart, couldn't get there till 3! Also admitted it had been locked in error. I cut the last link before the padlock, left it in the pub, told cart and went on our merry way. Its no place to hang about, specially if your an off comer. They set mattresses as traps for em. 👍 |
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