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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:43:00 GMT
Whilst appreciating your attempt at humour ... lollygagger 's point is valid ... gambling isn't a sport. Rog It wasn't an attempt at humour...
Gambling and sport bring out many similar 'basic instincts' in people, primarily 'I/we can win if I/we are good enough v always a chance of an outsider win' - I think what Ricco was trying to explain was that Rugby at International level is becoming far more of a loosing battle for the outsiders to win - and in some ways I agree - (even the Ref can't be blamed for poor decisions nowadays ). That one is debatable! I was there for this too Dylan shouldn't have been so potty mouthed toward Tom Youngs (the person the F@~king Cheat comment was aimed at) Waynetta shouldn't have had such a high opinion of himself Bang went the final and Dylan's 2013 Lions Tour.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 22, 2019 12:40:35 GMT
Whilst appreciating your attempt at humour ... lollygagger 's point is valid ... gambling isn't a sport. Rog It wasn't an attempt at humour...
Gambling and sport bring out many similar 'basic instincts' in people, primarily 'I/we can win if I/we are good enough v always a chance of an outsider win' - I think what Ricco was trying to explain was that Rugby at International level is becoming far more of a loosing battle for the outsiders to win - and in some ways I agree - (even the Ref can't be blamed for poor decisions nowadays ). I wouldn't suggest that the predictability of results in rugby is a progressive thing, it has always been that way. The game is such that a more tactically aware/ more powerful/ fitter/ more skilful team will almost always end up on top and most times, by a significant margin. There's little scope for a generally inferior team to win by a moment of individual brilliance by one of its team. If that does happen, it merely reduces their deficit. It's the nature of the game, and its mechanics, particularly that lots of points are often scored. I doubt there's much that could be done to change this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 15:32:59 GMT
You've just described the purpose of any team sport ... by skill, strength, tactics and tenacity, endeavour to score more goals, or points than the opposition. No doubt soccer is very different than rugby, as it's 'your game' ... which is no doubt why lower league teams often win the FA cup ... oh hang on they don't do they. I love rugby ... I opened the thread to discuss rugby ... I make no apologies for doing so Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 22, 2019 16:42:46 GMT
You've just described the purpose of any team sport ... by skill, strength, tactics and tenacity, endeavour to score more goals, or points than the opposition. No doubt soccer is very different than rugby, as it's 'your game' ... which is no doubt why lower league teams often win the FA cup ... oh hang on they don't do they. I love rugby ... I opened the thread to discuss rugby ... I make no apologies for doing so Rog Yes but isn't it interesting to contrast and compare, try to understand why something is boring and predictable to one person but unpredictable and exciting to another? Regarding football; lower league teams don't win the FA cup but they do knock superior teams out. Not as often as they used to, an excess of money with a large imbalance with who it goes to has seen to that. It still happens though, regularly. I'm not a great fan of football these days, I preferred it before the money came in and it was sanitised to try to make it a 'family game'. What's your view on when rugby became professional, did it make it a better spectacle for supporters or a worse one?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 20:27:55 GMT
The fitness levels, strength and conditioning and therefore the skills have increased hugely, but I think the laws and officiating are still playing catch up. For the spectator I would say it has massively improved.
But rugby is still a family, club game played as it always has been ...that is the real strength in my view ... professional rugby is only part of the story, the very top league.
The first weekend of the rugby premiership and Saints beat Saracens away, Worcester beat Leicester, and newly promoted London Irish beat Wasps and Bristol bears hammered Bath !
None of these results was expected even though many clubs are missing players to RWC.
The crowds will have loved it ... exciting contests.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 8:28:45 GMT
Hansen has picked Scott Barrett in the back row ... guess they're going to target our line out as he's a jumper. Good to see he's selecting to reflect England's threats. Fast Eddie's gone with Ford, Faz, Manu, which I guess is no real surprise. If both teams play to their ability, this is going to be a terrific game ... I'll be happy if England play well and New Zealand are simply better ... but I believe we will narrowly win. Really excited for the game Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 24, 2019 11:29:50 GMT
I predict that New Zealand will win.
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Post by ianali on Oct 24, 2019 12:29:22 GMT
I predict that New Zealand will win. Probably, but you never know. Itβs like my football team last weekend. Not given a chance, but turned out we were disappointed with only getting the draw.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 24, 2019 14:26:34 GMT
I predict that New Zealand will win. Probably, but you never know. Itβs like my football team last weekend. Not given a chance, but turned out we were disappointed with only getting the draw. Manchester, red, is my best guess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 16:57:12 GMT
Pity you're not a gambling man Clinton Cool , you could have made a fortune backing winners at this RWC. Who wins the Wales v S. Africa game out of interest ? Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 24, 2019 17:02:43 GMT
South Africa win, then get beaten by New Zealand in the final. You heard it here first
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 20:00:59 GMT
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 24, 2019 20:43:18 GMT
Sounds fair enough but how about the hooray Henry's in the stands, each and every one of them who went to grammar school, drunk (that's understandable), all engaging in 'light hearted banter' with the opposition hooray Henry fans?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 7:21:31 GMT
My brother went to Twickenham last year for the first time to watch England. He's only ever had a passing interest in rugby, but his mate (Newcastle Utd season ticket holder for over fifty years) was given a couple of tickets by his son (who couldn't go) so off they went. The Newcastle Utd fan (70 year old ardent, life time soccer fan) couldn't believe how friendly the atmosphere was, all having a drink, photos with opposing fans etc. and said he's never seen the like before. Since that first time, they go regularly to watch Newcastle Falcons play, have been to more rugby internationals both at Twickenham and watching England play at St James Park. I seem to recall a famous soccer player (retired) complaining about 'prawn cocktail' fans taking over at soccer matches, so 'hooray Henry's' may exist at other sporting events. But say what you will ... I can go (and comfortably take Jane) to any premiership rugby ground and watch the game without any crowd segregation, whilst drinking pitch side and having a chat and banter with other supporters ... and that's because it's a rugby match not soccer. So I'll accept your 'grammar school' and 'hooray Henry' jibes happily. And I believe England will be a match for NZ tomorrow and will knock them out after a tight, close game ... but we will see. I can guarantee no crowd troubles, riots and arrests and that's not something anyone can do at an England soccer match Rog
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 9:27:12 GMT
Sounds fair enough but how about the hooray Henry's in the stands, each and every one of them who went to grammar school, drunk (that's understandable), all engaging in 'light hearted banter' with the opposition hooray Henry fans? There are less of them than you imagine at international games. They are virtually non existent at club games. dogless is correct about attitudes form supporters in the stands at premiership games, any foul language or inappropriate behavior is swiftly dealt with either by those around them or the stewards - shame the same cant be said for football; see the last England euro qualifier trickling down to Northampton v Salford city last Saturday www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49955900www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50126927
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