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Post by bargemast on Sept 29, 2019 10:05:36 GMT
It's hull lines are very pleasing to my eyes, but I know that many people (with no taste ) don't like their lines. That boat is about hundred years old and is a small Tjalk probably built in the North of the Netherlands in Friesland. I think these small Tjalk's are beatiful boats and some of my favourite boats. I understand the impracticalities of living aboard them, but everything in life cant all be about practicallity. Otherwise no one would live aboard a boat. You're right Kris, and I agree with you, but it's depending on what one wants to do with a barge like that, if it's on a mooring at-or near the coast then it would be worth trying to keep (or make it) sailing again, if funds allow. Most enthousiasts forget however how expensive it is to make use of the "FREE" wind, as to catch the wind, the sails are very expensive, and so is the rigging and all the special winches you need, of which you can see a part of their use in the video. They certainly are beautiful, and seeing them races, and even participating in these races is an experience that you'll never forget, I've been lucky enough in my younger years to have had that opportunity, nowadays I wouldn't be able to operate the winch like the woman in the video without the urgent need for medical assistance. But if you're too far away from the sea, I would much rather get rid of all the gear that's in the way, raise the fore-deck and create a more useful space without spoiling the beautiful lines of the boat. Peter.
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Post by kris on Sept 29, 2019 10:31:34 GMT
Thanks very much for posting the video Peter, its amazing to see these( ill call them ships as they all seem to be over 20m,)under sail. Its incerdible how many of these wonderful vessals are kept in good comdition in the Nederlands.
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Post by kris on Sept 29, 2019 12:06:31 GMT
It's on the L&L heading east Wow it looks too long for the L@L, but its difficult to tell in photos. Is this on the west side of the pennines then? Or has it gone over the summit yet?
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Post by kris on Sept 29, 2019 12:40:33 GMT
It was on the Burnley section near Rosegrove, once they do Barrowford locks they will be on the summit. Yes i know the area, i suppose theres quite a bit of water in the summit pound at the moment, so they should get over. I have friends with what looks like a smaller but similar dutch barge and they hated the L@L because they where always dragging the skeg.
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Post by bargemast on Sept 29, 2019 13:30:26 GMT
Thanks very much for posting the video Peter, its amazing to see these( ill call them ships as they all seem to be over 20m,)under sail. Its incerdible how many of these wonderful vessals are kept in good comdition in the Nederlands. Shit ! I'm fed up, just wrote a long story about the history of many of these now beautiful again old sailing barges, and then while copiying a link, I lost the whole story and don't want to write it again, really too bad. Many of the hundreds of beautiful sailing barges that you can still see all over in the Netherlands were abandonned for many years, and often given away for free some 50 years ago. Nowadays it's difficult to find a hull in good nick that doesn't need fortunes spend on replating before you can start with rigging and fitting out, because of that some people have a brand new hull built of which I'll post a few photo's of a hull launched in 2018, with is an exact copy of a barge of a guy I sailed with a couple of times on his previous barge, he and his wife are chartering now, so they're earning their living while doing what they love to do most, that's what I cal really living. I'm very sorry for the now missing history, but I'm too tired to do it again. www.friesevloot.nl/nl/zeilboot-huren/zeilschip-voorwaartsPeter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 13:38:09 GMT
Do the old ones have that odd underwater "blade" at the bow? I've never noticed it but not been looking very hard. My guess is it is to reduce the effect of side winds on what is now of course a motor boat. Also seems quite a lot of propshaft between stern gland and propeller. I'm not one to argue with the Dutch about barge design but... On UK waterways I think trouble would be coming with that dropped skeg.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 13:43:55 GMT
I've got another question about Talks - what are those round holes each side of the rudder for? I assume they are for getting light in and/or ventilation but might not be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 13:49:43 GMT
But if you're too far away from the sea, I would much rather get rid of all the gear that's in the way, raise the fore-deck and create a more useful space without spoiling the beautiful lines of the boat. That's exactly what my cousin and her bloke have done with their Skutsje which lives on the Grand Union at Rickmansworth. Lovely boat. No Lee boards and they did indeed put a new cabin on the front which has improved the accomodation while not messing with the lovely lines of the barge. It's a real nice boat. Which I can't stand up in. Next time I'm there will get pictures. ETA I see the alamy website has a picture of it from the stern. ETA another picture on a blog. When my cousin bought the barge her and the bloke did a lot of work on it including removing bus windows, getting plates welded in the seeking out and fitting a load of heavy old bronze portholes. Nice job but terrible amounts of condensation on the porthole frames !
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Post by kris on Sept 29, 2019 13:55:41 GMT
Thanks very much for posting the video Peter, its amazing to see these( ill call them ships as they all seem to be over 20m,)under sail. Its incerdible how many of these wonderful vessals are kept in good comdition in the Nederlands. Shit ! I'm fed up, just wrote a long story about the history of many of these now beautiful again old sailing barges, and then while copiying a link, I lost the whole story and don't want to write it again, really too bad. Many of the hundreds of beautiful sailing barges that you can still see all over in the Netherlands were abandonned for many years, and often given away for free some 50 years ago. Nowadays it's difficult to find a hull in good nick that doesn't need fortunes spend on replating before you can start with rigging and fitting out, because of that some people have a brand new hull built of which I'll post a few photo's of a hull launched in 2018, with is an exact copy of a barge of a guy I sailed with a couple of times on his previous barge, he and his wife are chartering now, so they're earning their living while doing what they love to do most, that's what I cal really living. I'm very sorry for the now missing history, but I'm too tired to do it again. www.friesevloot.nl/nl/zeilboot-huren/zeilschip-voorwaartsPeter. Dont worry about the stuff thats gone missing peter you have already educated lots of english boaters about Dutch barges, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. I saw a brand new hull similar to the one youve posted about,when i spent a summer cycling and camping in the Nederlands. It was so impressive i had t stop and talk to the owner. He told me the boat had cost nearly 500,000 euro, so theres no way i could ever afford to buy one of those. But it was a pleasure to see, it was exactly like an old boat but brand new. I dont think there are many places in England that could build one like that any more.
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Post by kris on Sept 29, 2019 14:00:16 GMT
On UK waterways I think trouble would be coming with that dropped skeg. Ive already posted about my friends who have a smaller Tjalk, 55' i think. They hate the L&L because they where always dragging the skeg, even when the water levels where relatively high.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 14:13:21 GMT
So you did. I wasn't sure if old boats which had been motorised had the lowered skeg or not to be honest. The new Tjalk Peter put pictures of, which was built from the outset as a motor boat, clearly does have that feature.
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Post by kris on Sept 29, 2019 14:19:12 GMT
So you did. I wasn't sure if old boats which had been motorised had the lowered skeg or not to be honest. The new Tjalk Peter put pictures of, which was built from the outset as a motor boat, clearly does have that feature. I suppose when they motorised them putting a drop skeg was the best way of ensuring a good flow of water across the prop. Peter will be along at some stage to tell us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 14:21:50 GMT
It seems to avoid the need for a half tunnel or anti ventilation plate but I think a lot of the older ones have the latter items.
I would be interested in excuses for the excessive gap between stern gland and prop. Maybe something as simple as engine not in yet.
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Post by bargemast on Sept 30, 2019 6:45:17 GMT
I've got another question about Talks - what are those round holes each side of the rudder for? I assume they are for getting light in and/or ventilation but might not be. These round (sometimes diffently shaped) holes are there to get light and air into what used to be the underdecks living accomodation. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Sept 30, 2019 6:47:39 GMT
Do the old ones have that odd underwater "blade" at the bow? I've never noticed it but not been looking very hard. My guess is it is to reduce the effect of side winds on what is now of course a motor boat. Also seems quite a lot of propshaft between stern gland and propeller. I'm not one to argue with the Dutch about barge design but... On UK waterways I think trouble would be coming with that dropped skeg. Sorry, I'd completely forgotten to write that this boat wasn't built to be used on the UK waterways. Peter.
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