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Post by Jim on Oct 24, 2019 9:59:32 GMT
I sent an email to CRT telling them I was overstaying 14 days. Noreen is changing her cataplexy meds, has to come off one then start the other, yesterday and today she is having cataplexy every few minutes and so can't be left on her own. Just had a call back from local area person. No problem with over staying however the interesting bit, "oh, do you have your mooring at Warland, then if you have a mooring you don't have to move as far, just to the next km length" so bypassing the T&Cs.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 24, 2019 10:11:12 GMT
My understanding was that a 1KM move after 2 weeks was sufficient, whether you have a mooring or not.
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Post by kris on Oct 24, 2019 10:24:42 GMT
What are you complaining about jim?
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Post by Jim on Oct 24, 2019 10:35:30 GMT
What are you complaining about jim? I'm not, that's your job. Interesting that she said "the next km length" not "move 1km" , also "you don't have to move as far" if you have a mooring as a ccer would. It's recognising that moorers don't have to move "Bona fide" and the next km length could start by the bows of the boat. So bridge hopping is ok for moorers. I doubt the great god Garner would agree.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 24, 2019 10:43:13 GMT
My understanding was that a 1KM move after 2 weeks was sufficient, whether you have a mooring or not. Which Act of Parliament states that? Anyway, with 70% of boats not displaying licences on the K&A I'd say CRT have got enough criminals to deal with for starters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 10:47:01 GMT
When will you grasp that not displaying a licence is meaningless.
Rog
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Post by lollygagger on Oct 24, 2019 10:54:19 GMT
When will you grasp that not displaying a licence is meaningless. Rog Now, now Rog, don't spoil the fun, part of the reason for not displaying is to encourage the curtain twitchers to reveal themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 11:05:00 GMT
You're right.
Anyway, back on topic, I've always found local C&RT staff wherever, very helpful when any 'overstay' has been necessary for whatever the reason.
I believe the best advice is to speak to them BEFORE they feel they have to speak to you.
Rog
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Post by kris on Oct 24, 2019 11:08:26 GMT
What are you complaining about jim? I'm not, that's your job. Interesting that she said "the next km length" not "move 1km" , also "you don't have to move as far" if you have a mooring as a ccer would. It's recognising that moorers don't have to move "Bona fide" and the next km length could start by the bows of the boat. So bridge hopping is ok for moorers. I doubt the great god Garner would agree. Garner has no choice in the matter, its the way the legislation is. The whole network is divided into 1km lengths by crt, i believe this correlates to the gps grid. So when mr logger comes along and inputs your boat number into his ipad a gps cordinate is logged on carts computer,if you are in the same grid square next fortnight or the next time the logger comes around. The same gps cordinate is sent to carts computer, the computer then generates one of the move along letters/emails. Having a mooring abdicates one from all the a-b-c-d, 20 miles a year bollox that cart are trying to perpetuate and set in stone. Remeber when i had my over stay(which was reasonable in the circumstances) one over zealous enforcment officer told me on the phone she was refusing to liscence my boat and quote" was going to have my boat." The obtaining of a moooring negated this petty officials nonsense much to her disgust.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 24, 2019 11:27:13 GMT
My understanding was that a 1KM move after 2 weeks was sufficient, whether you have a mooring or not. Which Act of Parliament states that? Anyway, with 70% of boats not displaying licences on the K&A I'd say CRT have got enough criminals to deal with for starters. This is the CRT take on what boaters need to do as regards moving in order to comply with the waterways act. It's just their take, nothing more. I was surprised to hear CRT contradicting what they have said in the past.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 24, 2019 12:30:17 GMT
But surely if you moved you could moor again in the same KM. Because in their words the t&c's do not apply
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 24, 2019 12:49:00 GMT
. . . one over zealous enforcment officer told me on the phone she was refusing to liscence my boat and quote "was going to have my boat." Reminds me of a detail from my own case. To quote the 2012 judgment: In the absence of a proper explanation, the overall picture is not, to my mind, one of measured and proportionate response on the part of BWB. My misgivings are further increased by three other factual details. . . . a somewhat less than moderate and proportionate approach seems to be illustrated by an internal e-mail dated 13th May 2008 from Deborah Figuerido (BWB Enforcement Officer and Administrator for London) to Matthew Bannister (BWB's then moorings coordinator for the West London area including Brentford) in which the following appears:
"I think (subject to resources) that we start enforcement action against this boat . . . If I had the resources now I would section 8 it and snatch it'.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 24, 2019 12:52:17 GMT
Those with a home mooring still have to move every 2 weeks if not on their mooring. They'd need to moor in a different km section for 2 weeks, otherwise they haven't moved. They could probably return to the previous km section without a problem, despite CRT making an announcement that those with a home mooring who are out on the cut must move like those without a home mooring. This is nonsense, and CRT don't appear to be acting in line with the nonsense.
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Post by Jim on Oct 24, 2019 12:57:06 GMT
Those with a home mooring still have to move every 2 weeks if not on their mooring. They'd need to moor in a different km section for 2 weeks, otherwise they haven't moved. They could probably return to the previous km section without a problem, despite CRT making an announcement that those with a home mooring who are out on the cut must move like those without a home mooring. This is nonsense, and CRT don't appear to be acting in line with the nonsense. This.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 24, 2019 13:05:41 GMT
My understanding was that a 1KM move after 2 weeks was sufficient, whether you have a mooring or not. It is arguable, from a strictly legal standpoint, that in fact boaters having home moorings have no entitlement (other than that arising from a legitimate expectation of equal treatment) to remain on the towpath longer than an overnight stay while navigating, and that only those without such moorings are entitled to avail themselves of the 14 day provision. Just an alternative view to add into the balance.
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