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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 15:41:31 GMT
A socialist who supports wage stagnation for the working class, for the financial benefit of the controlling class. How does that work then? It's because someone suggested, some time ago, that the working class were racist. Being a bit thick, and sheep-like in mentality, socialists all got behind this notion. Now, their previous darlings are nothing but racist scum, to be dismissed as sub-human, and not even worth listening to. Because they know better do the socialists, and possess a higher moral compass than do their opponents they don't need to think too much, they are always right. You can deny it all you like, and I am sure you will, but the bedrock of racist culture in the UK lies with the working class. I am not suggesting racism is limited to the working class, nor that it is limited to those with a white face. Anybody seeking to deny racism a public voice absolutely has a 'higher moral compass' as you so eloquently phrase it. It is a dismal reality that in the coming election, the British electorate face a worse choice than the Americans in the last presidential election. It seems to me inevitable that the Conservatives will win, one way or another. They don't have the Liberals in their back pocket this time, but if push comes to shove, I will be surprised if Boris doesn't renege on his assertion that there will be no deals made with Farage, who will once more shake the pillars of the establishment.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 9, 2019 17:00:29 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn denies allegations of anti-Semitism.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 9, 2019 18:16:43 GMT
It's because someone suggested, some time ago, that the working class were racist. Being a bit thick, and sheep-like in mentality, socialists all got behind this notion. Now, their previous darlings are nothing but racist scum, to be dismissed as sub-human, and not even worth listening to. Because they know better do the socialists, and possess a higher moral compass than do their opponents they don't need to think too much, they are always right. You can deny it all you like, and I am sure you will, but the bedrock of racist culture in the UK lies with the working class. I am not suggesting racism is limited to the working class, nor that it is limited to those with a white face. Anybody seeking to deny racism a public voice absolutely has a 'higher moral compass' as you so eloquently phrase it. It is a dismal reality that in the coming election, the British electorate face a worse choice than the Americans in the last presidential election. It seems to me inevitable that the Conservatives will win, one way or another. They don't have the Liberals in their back pocket this time, but if push comes to shove, I will be surprised if Boris doesn't renege on his assertion that there will be no deals made with Farage, who will once more shake the pillars of the establishment. Only the Brexit party are unlikely to win any seats. Or are you suggesting a pact pre-election if the polls don't look favourable for the Tories? My beef with socialists isn't just that they feel morally superior to the working class who they, rightly or wrongly, consider to be racists. Instead, they feel morally superior to everyone who doesn't hold their view on politics. So myself, a heady mix of humanitarian and libertarian principles who doesn't have a political home in Britain, am considered morally inferior to socialists, by socialists. On the other side of the coin I don't consider myself morally superior to anyone, socialist or otherwise. If I compare myself to a socialist I believe they are mistaken that enforced sharing is the best way for humans to live happy lives. I believe that freedom and the natural responsibility to those close to you, and the natural human trait of charity, is the better way. So we differ in opinion, but neither of our opinions is either right, or wrong. It's extremely wearing to be constantly looked down at by socialists, hence my revulsion towards them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:28:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 18:55:56 GMT
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 9, 2019 18:59:41 GMT
It's because someone suggested, some time ago, that the working class were racist. Being a bit thick, and sheep-like in mentality, socialists all got behind this notion. Now, their previous darlings are nothing but racist scum, to be dismissed as sub-human, and not even worth listening to. Because they know better do the socialists, and possess a higher moral compass than do their opponents they don't need to think too much, they are always right. You can deny it all you like, and I am sure you will, but the bedrock of racist culture in the UK lies with the working class. When I did my DCPC training recently, the trainer said two things in quick succession, apropos to nothing. 52% of the workforce of the agency for which I work are currently eastern European, in 2004 they had no eastern Europeans on their books at all. In 2004, wages for Class 2 HGV work were £10 an hour, in 2019 they are still £10 an hour. Now, I can see the connection between these two statements, cause and effect etc. The question is "Am I racist because I oppose my wages stagnating for 15 years in the industry in which I work because of a massive influx of labour from post-Communist economies with far lower wage expectations?" I'd venture to say I am not. I bear no animosity to any of these eastern European drivers, who are my work colleagues and with whom I interact on a daily basis and treat no differently to British drivers. "Blame the game, not the players" and all that. But all of this has been done to enrich the already wealthy controlling class to the detriment of working-class people like myself. And it's not "racist" to point that out.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 9, 2019 19:25:20 GMT
To be fair, Ken Livingstone was kind to newts:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 20:20:53 GMT
You can deny it all you like, and I am sure you will, but the bedrock of racist culture in the UK lies with the working class. When I did my DCPC training recently, the trainer said two things in quick succession, apropos to nothing. 52% of the workforce of the agency for which I work are currently eastern European, in 2004 they had no eastern Europeans on their books at all. In 2004, wages for Class 2 HGV work were £10 an hour, in 2019 they are still £10 an hour. Now, I can see the connection between these two statements, cause and effect etc. The question is "Am I racist because I oppose my wages stagnating for 15 years in the industry in which I work because of a massive influx of labour from post-Communist economies with far lower wage expectations?" I'd venture to say I am not. I bear no animosity to any of these eastern European drivers, who are my work colleagues and with whom I interact on a daily basis and treat no differently to British drivers. "Blame the game, not the players" and all that. But all of this has been done to enrich the already wealthy controlling class to the detriment of working-class people like myself. And it's not "racist" to point that out. Indeed it is not. But everyone wants someone to blame. I recently read that somewhere in 'Mein Kampf' Adolf admits he picked on the jews simply because they were a good target. I don't know how true that is, I've never read it. You are not alone in your economic predicament. With reference to your final paragraph, is it worth mentioning Marx had a lot to say on this very subject? As long as the main aim is to extract profit, the result will always be the same. Its really got fuck-all to do with where somebody is from. You should be happy, at least your services are still in demand. Brexit seemed like a good idea when the referendum was on the table. But following the result the first reaction from the worst elements in society was violence and abuse directed at anybody who looked different. It makes me sick that they are English. And you surely have to admit that the new order will be nothing like you imagined. I might vote Liberal; perhaps there's a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 20:34:20 GMT
I thought Hitler "picked on" the jews because at some point a jew had badly fucked with someone he cared about.
Seems more likely to be a personal grudge than convenience.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 9, 2019 20:40:37 GMT
I had heard that Hitler got his own back on 'the Jews' because they had refused to lend him money.
How about those who had subletted in Grenfell Tower - were they racist because they knew they were stealing a flat from someone else who had been on the council housing list for years?
"The Royal Borough of Chelsea and Kensington is rather strange, some parts have some of the most expensive homes in the UK, while other parts (North Kensington) are shitholes. The Wait for a council house is years, so how the fuck did all those in the Grenfell Tower manage to get one? I assume there must have been some locals living there but I can’t recall seeing any interviewed."
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 9, 2019 20:45:59 GMT
I thought Hitler "picked on" the jews because at some point a jew had badly fucked with someone he cared about. Seems more likely to be a personal grudge than convenience. Hitler was a Socialist, the Nazi party were Socialist, "Nazi" is an abbreviation of "National Socialist", even their flag was red. Hitler hated the Jews because they were wealthy in much the same way as Labour's latest wheeze this week is to ban private jets.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 20:56:45 GMT
I had heard that Hitler got his own back on 'the Jews' because they had refused to lend him money. How about those who had subletted in Grenfell Tower - were they racist because they knew they were stealing a flat from someone else who had been on the council housing list for years? "The Royal Borough of Chelsea and Kensington is rather strange, some parts have some of the most expensive homes in the UK, while other parts (North Kensington) are shitholes. The Wait for a council house is years, so how the fuck did all those in the Grenfell Tower manage to get one? I assume there must have been some locals living there but I can’t recall seeing any interviewed." It's common sense to avoid being interviewed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 22:12:44 GMT
I thought Hitler "picked on" the jews because at some point a jew had badly fucked with someone he cared about. Seems more likely to be a personal grudge than convenience. Hitler was a Socialist, the Nazi party were Socialist, "Nazi" is an abbreviation of "National Socialist", even their flag was red. Hitler hated the Jews because they were wealthy in much the same way as Labour's latest wheeze this week is to ban private jets. I'm going to assume you are being deliberately perverse. But just in case...the group that Adolf joined and soon controlled was called the 'German Workers Party'. They were a nothing organisation that hardly anyone was aware of. The name was soon changed to The 'National Socialist German Workers Party' in a cynical attempt to appeal to the broadest possible spectrum. Socialism is generally agreed to be a philosophy which to some degree adopts the ideology of Marxism, and tends not to discuss questions of racial purity to any great extent.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 9, 2019 22:19:00 GMT
"We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!"
Gregor Strasser, senior Nazi party official, 1926.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 22:26:29 GMT
In 1926 the Nazis would have said the moon was made of green cheese if they thought it would win votes (like the Liberals).
The Weimar period is fascinating, there are books on it and everything. The name was a case of hedging your bets in a society that, politically speaking, could have gone either way.
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