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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:31:51 GMT
Sorry, but that's the point I was trying to make.
All you did was edit kris's words to flow better ... it remained what kris wished to say.
There are people here who have the skills and abilities to write an excellent statement on behalf of kris.
But for my part his own words (even if edited to avoid unnecessary 'clunk') are infinitely better.
That's all I was trying to say.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 10, 2019 22:33:31 GMT
I like lollygagger 's edits but I think it's important that any statement should come from you ... 'speak the truth and fear no man' as my old Dad used to say. The boat licence holders I know will certainly be voting for you Rog I think it is important that the message is entirely kris’. But by his own admission written communications isn’t kris’ forte and it would be a shame to lose votes from the many people who couldn’t see beyond the grammar, spelling and sentence construction. Typically voters are faced with a number of manifestos to go on, and don’t know any of them personally. So having a message that not only faithfully represents the candidate’s views, but also is easy to read, is IMO more important that some politically correct concept that it must be all kris’ own creation regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:39:32 GMT
Fair do's ... not for the first time we have different views Rog
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:45:02 GMT
Every vote counts on these elections owing to the fact numbers voting have been declining since 2012. There was a low turnout among boaters last time, with just 6.8 percent of eligible CRT leisure boat licence holders casting their vote, compared to 26 percent at the last elections in 2012. I think Ridgeway got voted in with 700 votes or something silly. It's politics isn't it, sort of. The manifesto has to be spot on, not only to impress those who will vote, but to hopefully catch the attention of, and encourage those who don't bother.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 10, 2019 23:39:27 GMT
But just sometimes the truthfully simple and heartfelt message could work far better than any polished sentence structure that is designed to impress. Real in an internet world gets lost amongst the fake, but perhaps kris will be able to achieve a very real document with something that stands out from the others as being direct to the needs of boaters. Some politicians for instance have proved that even a professionally produced manifesto isn't worth the ink and a jaded public wont believe it any more. It's never been a more appropriate time for boaters to take action, and I think even crt might be aware of the growing dismay regarding those vulnerable sections of a nearly derelict waterway. I agree to some extent. For instance, someone really needs to tell politicians to stop saying “I’ve been perfectly clear that...” “I’m clear that...” etc when it is always the prelude to something not at all clear and in fact masked in political smokescreen. So I would definitely avoid all the corporate-speak bullshit, of which “going forward” has to be the worst, followed by “stakeholders”, “my team” and other such twaddle. but plain ordinary English without modernisms (which are mostly americanisms), well constructed so you only have to read it once to understand what is in the mind of the author, surely is the way to go?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 0:01:28 GMT
Yes, and I think with only a litte help from people on here Kris has a very good chance of showing and winning with that "plain ordinary English" Sounds good, in here, but he needs more than 20 odd votes. The majority of votes come from the south east, london. They manipulate the vote in order for it to work for them, as Stella Ridgeway discovered, and consequently took advantage of. There are something in the region of 8000 boats in the south east, (the area having recently been enlarged) they have never heard of kris. Plain english is fine, but the moment someone discovers he is a member of NBTA, he'll be gone. He needs something to grab their attention, for instance, licence increases. Everyone hates them, given the increases year on year are above inflation. Vegetation management and maintenance at the moment are also big issues.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 11, 2019 8:44:34 GMT
Sorry, but that's the point I was trying to make. All you did was edit kris's words to flow better ... it remained what kris wished to say. There are people here who have the skills and abilities to write an excellent statement on behalf of kris. But for my part his own words (even if edited to avoid unnecessary 'clunk') are infinitely better. That's all I was trying to say. The thing is kris can say all that. But then he is on his own. And people will be thinking how did he make such a fine start? It's like learning a language - it's no good asking questions in that new language, if you are not going to be able to understand the answers. Anyway, the language is not so important as the meaning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 10:24:04 GMT
As I understand it kris wishes to stand as a live aboard boater with a simple message describing his motivations and interests.
That is surely his main appeal to anyone looking where to place their vote, he's a genuine boater, not an empire builder or politician.
That's certainly how I'm 'selling' his position to friends.
Rog
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Post by thebfg on Nov 11, 2019 10:41:23 GMT
Is there anywhere online we can see previous manifestos. Just to get a feel for them
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 11, 2019 13:05:22 GMT
I recall trawling though some manifestos the last time. There were mostly pretty dull and uninspiring.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Nov 11, 2019 14:11:18 GMT
For some reason that I cant remember Ive got Alan Finchers manifesto but its hard copy, and I cba to scan and post it, (several pages!) I suppose he may not be very pleased to see it here either! Isn't that an excellent reason for making the effort ?
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Post by Allan on Nov 11, 2019 23:02:54 GMT
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Post by rockdodger on Nov 12, 2019 1:19:22 GMT
Only if you have a 'farce'book account
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Post by kris on Nov 12, 2019 13:05:51 GMT
So for anybody interested, i have left NBTA so will be standing as an idenpendant livaboard boater. That should get rid of any confusion about being a NBTA representative. So i have to work on a manifesto probably something along the lines of lollygaggers adjustments of my original without mention of nbta (ill post that tmw.) as ive got work soon. Then i need three sponsers that meet the requirments.
Regards kris
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 13:22:55 GMT
So for anybody interested, i have left NBTA so will be standing as an idenpendant livaboard boater. That should get rid of any confusion about being a NBTA representative. So i have to work on a manifesto probably something along the lines of lollygaggers adjustments of my original without mention of nbta (ill post that tmw.) as ive got work soon. Then i need three sponsers that meet the requirments. Regards kris Would be happy to sponsor you.
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