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Post by thebfg on Nov 2, 2019 12:53:30 GMT
Why would I get pissed off by people willingly showing their ignorance?Yes, we are all David Baileys these days with our iPads and phones with cracked screens because we put them in our back pockets to look trendy then sat on 'em. Your problem is Foxy that if people didn't annotate their pictures with what they were taken with in most cases you wouldn't be able to tell which ones were taken with a phone and which one with a camera. I like my DSLR because it allows me to experiment when I want to, but it's big and heavy when compared to my phone. Equally I like my Google Pixel phone because I can just whip it out my pocket and grab a shot that I would probably have missed with my DSLR, probably because I didn't have it with me. I then just let Mr. or Mrs. Google do all the processing. It's also massively convenient to have my images automatically upload to Google photos so that they can be viewed anywhere on any of my devices. Both concepts have a place in photography and neither is totally superior when all factors are taken into account. People who mock camera phones and their users are just 'photo snobs'. I'll go with that. I want a decent or even half decent dslr but I also want to get lessons to use it properly. I have started using the professional mode on my phone rather than point and shoot mode. I have a bridge camera but my s9 is far superior. I am interested on getting into photography properly, and just wanted an understanding of what people use. Nick's photos especially came put really well with the colours and clarity.
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Post by Jim on Nov 2, 2019 12:55:08 GMT
Why would I get pissed off by people willingly showing their ignorance?Yes, we are all David Baileys these days with our iPads and phones with cracked screens because we put them in our back pockets to look trendy then sat on 'em. Your problem is Foxy that if people didn't annotate their pictures with what they were taken with in most cases you wouldn't be able to tell which ones were taken with a phone and which one with a camera. I like my DSLR because it allows me to experiment when I want to, but it's big and heavy when compared to my phone. Equally I like my Google Pixel phone because I can just whip it out my pocket and grab a shot that I would probably have missed with my DSLR, probably because I didn't have it with me. I then just let Mr. or Mrs. Google do all the processing. It's also massively convenient to have my images automatically upload to Google photos so that they can be viewed anywhere on any of my devices. Both concepts have a place in photography and neither is totally superior when all factors are taken into account. People who mock camera phones and their users are just 'photo snobs'. Modern phones, even older ones like the Pixel 2*, have a higher resolution than dslrs and olympus cameras. There is an android app to control more functions if you are fluent in nerdish, Moments Pro. I don't know if it could improve naughtyfox's depth of field though. *Just given my pixel 2xl 128mb to Noreen, hers died, I got myself a pixel 3 xl 128mb from fleabay. Although it's upgrade time I decided to go sim only this time, the phone does all I need. Its probably the same camera in the phones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 12:55:53 GMT
No... that is not what I meant at all. Equipment does not make one a good photographer. Neither does just grabbing something easily with a phone camera. Of course you can take good pics with a phone camera - if you are clever. Or just lucky. Or perhaps just quick. You may recall my "That was a great meal, you must have some expensive pots and pans" quip? You are missing the point. Camera phones and i/auto settings on cameras do exactly that, they make good photographers out of ordinary folk. What matters is the end result, the main principal of good photography is composition, something a phone cannot do for you yet. Anyway we have had this argument before and I cannot be arsed again.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 2, 2019 12:57:36 GMT
Your problem is Foxy that if people didn't annotate their pictures with what they were taken with in most cases you wouldn't be able to tell which ones were taken with a phone and which one with a camera. I like my DSLR because it allows me to experiment when I want to, but it's big and heavy when compared to my phone. Equally I like my Google Pixel phone because I can just whip it out my pocket and grab a shot that I would probably have missed with my DSLR, probably because I didn't have it with me. I then just let Mr. or Mrs. Google do all the processing. It's also massively convenient to have my images automatically upload to Google photos so that they can be viewed anywhere on any of my devices. Both concepts have a place in photography and neither is totally superior when all factors are taken into account. People who mock camera phones and their users are just 'photo snobs'. I'll go with that. I want a decent or even half decent dslr but I also want to get lessons to use it properly. I have started using the professional mode on my phone rather than point and shoot mode. I have a bridge camera but my s9 is far superior. I am interested on getting into photography properly, and just wanted an understanding of what people use. Nick's photos especially came put really well with the colours and clarity. Yes modern iPhone pics are amazing for colour and clarity. I think there must be a fair bit of enhancement processing done by the phone’s processor. In those terms (colour and clarity) it is way ahead of my DSLR, which always tends to look washed out by comparison. DSLR is good for telephoto and restricted depth of field shots, but not much else!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 13:00:44 GMT
Your problem is Foxy that if people didn't annotate their pictures with what they were taken with in most cases you wouldn't be able to tell which ones were taken with a phone and which one with a camera. I like my DSLR because it allows me to experiment when I want to, but it's big and heavy when compared to my phone. Equally I like my Google Pixel phone because I can just whip it out my pocket and grab a shot that I would probably have missed with my DSLR, probably because I didn't have it with me. I then just let Mr. or Mrs. Google do all the processing. It's also massively convenient to have my images automatically upload to Google photos so that they can be viewed anywhere on any of my devices. Both concepts have a place in photography and neither is totally superior when all factors are taken into account. People who mock camera phones and their users are just 'photo snobs'. I'll go with that. I want a decent or even half decent dslr but I also want to get lessons to use it properly. I have started using the professional mode on my phone rather than point and shoot mode. I have a bridge camera but my s9 is far superior. I am interested on getting into photography properly, and just wanted an understanding of what people use. Nick's photos especially came put really well with the colours and clarity. Some local adult education centres offer courses but I learnt a lot from getting the digital field guide to SLR's I have owned. Second hand on Amazon the one for my current Sony a300 cost three quid. The camera in used but excellent condition cost me £99 on eBay. www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0470386274/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 2, 2019 13:38:00 GMT
Taken with my phone camera 5 minutes ago... birthday party in Lapland. The white is the lake.
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Post by thebfg on Nov 2, 2019 13:39:43 GMT
I'll go with that. I want a decent or even half decent dslr but I also want to get lessons to use it properly. I have started using the professional mode on my phone rather than point and shoot mode. I have a bridge camera but my s9 is far superior. I am interested on getting into photography properly, and just wanted an understanding of what people use. Nick's photos especially came put really well with the colours and clarity. Some local adult education centres offer courses but I learnt a lot from getting the digital field guide to SLR's I have owned. Second hand on Amazon the one for my current Sony a300 cost three quid. The camera in used but excellent condition cost me £99 on eBay. www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0470386274/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Thanks. I am hoping Santa might pack a camera.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 2, 2019 13:40:27 GMT
I don't believe this is an actual photo competition ... rather just all of us submitting a snap we've taken in the year, to be judged purely on popularity not photographic quality. It's just a bit of fun surely. Rog Are you trying to introduce a new rule! Yeah... sneaky, eh?! Dog.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 2, 2019 13:47:01 GMT
No... that is not what I meant at all. Equipment does not make one a good photographer. Neither does just grabbing something easily with a phone camera. Of course you can take good pics with a phone camera - if you are clever. Or just lucky. Or perhaps just quick. You may recall my "That was a great meal, you must have some expensive pots and pans" quip? You are missing the point. Camera phones and i/auto settings on cameras do exactly that, they make good photographers out of ordinary folk. But that means.... they are no 'ordinary folk' any more! All 'professional photographers'! Yes, I know modern cameras 'save the day' in many ways, but they still cannot choose the subject, angle, timing, concept/idea, etc. I wonder now about the IWA photo competition... what cameras were used. Also... why have they not announced this year's results?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 13:51:45 GMT
You are missing the point. Camera phones and i/auto settings on cameras do exactly that, they make good photographers out of ordinary folk. But that means.... they are no 'ordinary folk' any more! All 'professional photographers'! Yes, I know modern cameras 'save the day' in many ways , but they still cannot choose the subject, angle, timing, concept/idea, etc.I wonder now about the IWA photo competition... what cameras were used. Also... why have they not announced this year's results? Which is pretty much what I actually said.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 13:56:32 GMT
Thanks. I am hoping Santa might pack a camera.If you like the idea of a DSLR but want to cut down on the bulk and weight then consider something 'mirrorless' and micro 4/3rds. They can be had at reasonable prices used on eBay or Santa may bring you a new one if pockets are deeper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 15:13:23 GMT
Brief comparison of one of the best features of newer phones 'night shot' or 'night sight' mode. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-50266659/night-mode-which-phone-camera-comes-out-on-topEven my aging Google Pixel 2 has this and it's hard to believe some of the results you get, though some images do come out looking overly tampered with. This one was taken in very poor light but using no flash on my Pixel 2. Not my entry in the competition I hasten to add but I thought it appropriate to post one of my dog mauling a Fox.......it seemed appropriate. (Of course much to Foxy's disgust it's all done with smoke and mirrors software processing of several shots. )
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 2, 2019 15:24:16 GMT
I'm thinking of entering myself now, purely to comply with the old adage "It is the duty of a father to embarrass his children"
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Post by JohnV on Nov 2, 2019 16:49:48 GMT
after a lot of thought, I think my entry will be this SAM_2527 by mudlarker2, on Flickr edit to add a caption "Arctic Corsair" Last of a breed
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Post by metanoia on Nov 2, 2019 16:55:14 GMT
Another worthy winner.... … in my humble opinion. Fickle? Moi?! met x
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