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Post by Jim on Dec 14, 2019 15:55:11 GMT
Been reading the Times today and there are some fascinating views expressed. The London based celebs who identify everyone who voted 'leave' as racist and nationalist or 'clueless and ignorant' for a start ! People north of Watford ... ex miners , steel workers, ship builders ... who have voted for a party they still blame for the destruction of their communities and livelihoods ... generations of Labour party supporters turning to the Tories ... to dismiss them all as simply racist is UNBELIEVABLY conceited and disrespectful. A piece by Janice Turner (despite being a London journo, lives in Doncaster) makes excellent, thought provoking reading. Ms Turner also finished by describing Boris (the winner in these former Labour heartlands) as looking like the owner of a dragon he bought on ebay whilst drunk "It scares him, he doesn't understand it, he knows its not really his" Wouldn't it be terrific if, despite our fears, the Tories actually recognise the position they have been gifted ... seek to repay that debt and shine ... what a christmas story that would make Rog Its a lovely thought that Boris, his heart filled with the milk of human kindness for the good voters of South Yorkshire, will now go on a crusade to restore rhyme and reason to the shires of England... Isn't it more likely that Boris' first item on the agenda is to kiss all the arses of those who donated so generously to Conservative party funds? Starting with Uri, Igor, Vlad and a few other Borises. Oh hang on, that report hasn't been released yet.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2019 17:08:50 GMT
Its a lovely thought that Boris, his heart filled with the milk of human kindness for the good voters of South Yorkshire, will now go on a crusade to restore rhyme and reason to the shires of England... Isn't it more likely that Boris' first item on the agenda is to kiss all the arses of those who donated so generously to Conservative party funds? Starting with Uri, Igor, Vlad and a few other Borises. Oh hang on, that report hasn't been released yet. Indulge me here Jim and give me some insight into the way the primitive northern mind works. The Russians give the Conservative party some money, and this makes northerners vote for them. How does it do that then? Subsidised clogs? Free whippets? Public drinking fountains converted to dispense Henderson's Relish?
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Post by Jim on Dec 14, 2019 17:14:21 GMT
Indulgence granted, you are absolved of not keeping up, at the back. Shanners knew what I meant, referring, of course, to the latter part of @nemesis 's post, that Boris would first go kissing arse, before travelling north. Simple innit. But not for some obvs. Shanners would have told you about the hidden report on russian payments to the tories. I hope she doesn't get an over inflated sense of importance though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:48:23 GMT
Indulgence granted, you are absolved of not keeping up, at the back. Shanners knew what I meant, referring, of course, to the latter part of @nemesis 's post, that Boris would first go kissing arse, before travelling north. Simple innit. But not for some obvs. Shanners would have told you about the hidden report on russian payments to the tories. I hope she doesn't get an over inflated sense of importance though. The force with this one is very strong my lord sith........
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2019 18:10:52 GMT
Indulgence granted, you are absolved of not keeping up, at the back. Shanners knew what I meant, referring, of course, to the latter part of @nemesis 's post, that Boris would first go kissing arse, before travelling north. Simple innit. But not for some obvs. Shanners would have told you about the hidden report on russian payments to the tories. I hope she doesn't get an over inflated sense of importance though. Well, I'm curious Jim and you haven't really answered the question. Let me try asking it in a different way. Numerous northern constituencies which have been held by Labour for a hundred years fell to the Conservatives at this week's election. Would you say this is due to donations made to the Conservative party by Russian nationals, or do you think there might be some other reason?
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Post by Jim on Dec 14, 2019 18:15:24 GMT
Indulgence granted, you are absolved of not keeping up, at the back. Shanners knew what I meant, referring, of course, to the latter part of @nemesis 's post, that Boris would first go kissing arse, before travelling north. Simple innit. But not for some obvs. Shanners would have told you about the hidden report on russian payments to the tories. I hope she doesn't get an over inflated sense of importance though. Well, I'm curious Jim and you haven't really answered the question. Let me try asking it in a different way. Numerous northern constituencies which have been held by Labour for a hundred years fell to the Conservatives at this week's election. Would you say this is due to donations made to the Conservative party by Russian nationals, or do you think there might be some other reason? They are the unconnected, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 18:21:56 GMT
Well, I'm curious Jim and you haven't really answered the question. Let me try asking it in a different way. Numerous northern constituencies which have been held by Labour for a hundred years fell to the Conservatives at this week's election. Would you say this is due to donations made to the Conservative party by Russian nationals, or do you think there might be some other reason? They are the unconnected, as far as I'm concerned. Too complicated for you to answer jim, or is it a case of not being able to admit you are just being silly?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2019 18:27:02 GMT
Well, I'm curious Jim and you haven't really answered the question. Let me try asking it in a different way. Numerous northern constituencies which have been held by Labour for a hundred years fell to the Conservatives at this week's election. Would you say this is due to donations made to the Conservative party by Russian nationals, or do you think there might be some other reason? They are the unconnected, as far as I'm concerned. And how do you think the Labour party should go about re-connecting with them?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 18:27:08 GMT
The reason labour lost seats is because of Brexit.
It's really simple. Child's play in fact. Brexit was concocted to fuck Labour. That's the only reason the plebsicite ever happened. Oh let's call it a "referendum" so it sounds more acceptable to the plebs and doesn't openly take the piss of them. Proof if it was needed came when Farridge decided not to attempt to get seats. He's in on it (giggle) looking after no.1 Mr Chelsea.
Appeal to basic instincts innit. People are afraid of furriners. Brexit "in theory" means less furriners.
Obviously it doesn't actually mean "less furriners" but it's a bloody handy way to get votes.
It worked astoundingly well.
Why do I think that Brexit won't happen...
It's all just games. A spot of croquet on the lawn dear.
People need to realise that cheap labour is here to stay. That won't ever change. People who think that will change are sadly deluded. It makes no difference who the government is. The money will do the talking. Nothing new under the sun !!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2019 18:43:46 GMT
Although I agree that this was "the Brexit election", I think you are over-analysing it. There was nothing to prevent Labour standing on a pro-Brexit platform and as I've said many times before, had they done that instead of dismissing their traditional voter base as "racist" and "xenophobic", then they would have been in power instead of opposition for the last nine years.
However, they had to choose between their traditional voter base and the right-on Islington set, who are far more active in Labour party politics at street level and who despise the working class, and unfortunately for Labour they chose the latter. Personally, I do not think Labour will win another election in my lifetime. And serve them right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 18:58:13 GMT
I believe it takes more than the single issue of Brexit to encourage people to vote for a party they still despise and blame for the loss of heavy industry and their communities.
Corbyn is largely mistrusted for his and 'Momentum's' historic lack of support for the country's armed forces, security services and monarchy and his supportive stance against terrorist organisations.
The two factors created the perfect storm against Labour.
If Labour accept why they were battered rather than blaming the media picking on poor Mr Corbyn, they can bounce back.
I truly hope that will happen ... but the noises so far aren't good.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 19:15:08 GMT
Although I agree that this was "the Brexit election", I think you are over-analysing it. There was nothing to prevent Labour standing on a pro-Brexit platform and as I've said many times before, had they done that instead of dismissing their traditional voter base as "racist" and "xenophobic", then they would have been in power instead of opposition for the last nine years. However, they had to choose between their traditional voter base and the right-on Islington set, who are far more active in Labour party politics at street level and who despise the working class, and unfortunately for Labour they chose the latter. Personally, I do not think Labour will win another election in my lifetime. And serve them right. Agreed. It was Tiny Blur who sowed the seeds. Maybe he was a Tory as well.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 14, 2019 19:31:25 GMT
Although I agree that this was "the Brexit election", I think you are over-analysing it. There was nothing to prevent Labour standing on a pro-Brexit platform and as I've said many times before, had they done that instead of dismissing their traditional voter base as "racist" and "xenophobic", then they would have been in power instead of opposition for the last nine years. However, they had to choose between their traditional voter base and the right-on Islington set, who are far more active in Labour party politics at street level and who despise the working class, and unfortunately for Labour they chose the latter. Personally, I do not think Labour will win another election in my lifetime. And serve them right. Agreed. It was Tiny Blur who sowed the seeds. Maybe he was a Tory as well. He's certainly raking in a lot of money for himself and not handing it out 'to the many'. Charity begins at home, eh, Tony?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2019 20:30:06 GMT
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Post by patty on Dec 14, 2019 21:42:09 GMT
never mind all this... WHAT I've lost track of and NEED to know is whether Patty voted yet in the Photo Competition???
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