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Post by JohnV on Apr 5, 2020 8:50:21 GMT
Well, given that it took Labour five months just to choose a leader, I doubt they would have been any quicker off the mark. I note Dominic hasn't prompted Boris to respond to Keir's and the country's concerns yet. It's the tories' inaction which is delaying the testing and tracing, should have been started weeks back when numbers were lower, polymerase reagents ordered in bulk. But no, they were too busy ignoring their own advice, cuddling up like public school boys and sharing the virus around between them. So now more people will die. If you honestly believe that a Labour government would have done any better then you really are an idiot. There were mistakes made, and some departments were slow reacting but I very much doubt that a different government would have done better. They have listened to the advice they were being given by their experts and acted accordingly If you really are interested in what goes on and not just looking to try and score political points then reading this might give you a bit more insight into how decisions were made as the situation changed as more information came in from countries ahead of us on the curve www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51915302
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 8:52:34 GMT
Fascinated by Starmer's opening criticisms, and that he'll be pushing for national vaccination centres around the country.
Bless ... someone should let him no there is no vaccine.
I'm afraid instead of 'Corbyn-lite' the party may have ended up with 'Blair-lite' ... I really hope not.
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Post by Jim on Apr 5, 2020 9:15:32 GMT
Fascinated by Starmer's opening criticisms, and that he'll be pushing for national vaccination centres around the country. Bless ... someone should let him no there is no vaccine. I'm afraid instead of 'Corbyn-lite' the party may have ended up with 'Blair-lite' ... I really hope not. Rog It's called "pre planning" "being prepared" for when one of the many vaccines being developed quicker than ever before come on stream. That's not scoring political points, that's trying to keep people alive. Some of you think it acceptable that Dominic and his henchmen ignored their own Physical Distancing advice while "instructing" the rest of us to stay at home?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 9:32:18 GMT
So did hospital staff ... some peoples role in life is to be at the sharp end ... giving us 'little people' the opportunity to hide away. You make no sense Jim . Why would setting up vaccination stations be a priority when we're at least 12 months from having a vaccination ASSUMING there will be a vaccination. My comments were intended to highlight that Labour have chosen another leader (like Blair) who is big on presentation but with no substance behind what he says. Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 5, 2020 9:32:24 GMT
Fascinated by Starmer's opening criticisms, and that he'll be pushing for national vaccination centres around the country. Bless ... someone should let him no there is no vaccine. I'm afraid instead of 'Corbyn-lite' the party may have ended up with 'Blair-lite' ... I really hope not. Rog I think his Andrew Marr interview was by and large good. His point about being fully prepared for when there is a vaccine, was valid. I think he probably is Blair lite, but that is a good thing. Corbyn, whether lite or not, will never be electable and thus the country would never have a viable opposition, which would be bad. Better to have an electable Labour Party which might not meet everyone’s socialist ideals, than an unelectable one that appeals to the fringe northern lefties. All governments need competent opposition, that is the most important thing. The detail of their politics is less important.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 5, 2020 9:34:19 GMT
So did hospital staff ... some peoples role in life is to be at the sharp end ... giving us 'littoe people' the oppirtunity to hide away. You make no sense Jim . Why would setting up vaccination stations be a priority when we're at least 12 months from having a vaccination ASSUMING there will be a vaccination. My comments were intended to highlight that Labour have chosen another leader (like Blair) who is big on presentation but with no substance behind what he says. Rog I was heartened to see him offering cooperation and constructive criticism, as opposed to the Corbynista style of opposing everything just for the sake of opposing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 9:37:14 GMT
I do not watch tv so didn't see his performance ... merely reading his 'vaccine' comments and criticism of unpreparedness.
I remain unsure that a knighted barrister is the way to acheive socialism and a fairer state.
I genuinely hope I'm wrong
Rog
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Post by patty on Apr 5, 2020 9:39:19 GMT
So did hospital staff ... some peoples role in life is to be at the sharp end ... giving us 'littoe people' the oppirtunity to hide away. You make no sense Jim . Why would setting up vaccination stations be a priority when we're at least 12 months from having a vaccination ASSUMING there will be a vaccination. My comments were intended to highlight that Labour have chosen another leader (like Blair) who is big on presentation but with no substance behind what he says. Rog I was heartened to see him offering cooperation and constructive criticism, as opposed to the Corbynista style of opposing everything just for the sake of opposing. Thats the bit that I thought OK..however words r one thing and actions another and only time will tell if he supports constructively or shreds needlessly
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Post by bodger on Apr 5, 2020 9:39:50 GMT
Why would setting up vaccination stations be a priority when we're at least 12 months from having a vaccination ASSUMING there will be a vaccination. .................. and anyway we already have local vaccination centres where we are already registered. (they are often known as GP surgeries).
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Post by Jim on Apr 5, 2020 9:44:38 GMT
So did hospital staff ... some peoples role in life is to be at the sharp end ... giving us 'little people' the opportunity to hide away. You make no sense Jim . Why would setting up vaccination stations be a priority when we're at least 12 months from having a vaccination ASSUMING there will be a vaccination. My comments were intended to highlight that Labour have chosen another leader (like Blair) who is big on presentation but with no substance behind what he says. Rog You can't compare hard working dedicated hospital staff to Dominic's mates, who chose to huddle together despite the risk, knowing full well the potential consequences. They could simply have maintained their distance like the rest of us do.
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Post by Jim on Apr 5, 2020 9:44:48 GMT
So did hospital staff ... some peoples role in life is to be at the sharp end ... giving us 'little people' the opportunity to hide away. You make no sense Jim . Why would setting up vaccination stations be a priority when we're at least 12 months from having a vaccination ASSUMING there will be a vaccination. My comments were intended to highlight that Labour have chosen another leader (like Blair) who is big on presentation but with no substance behind what he says. Rog You can't compare hard working dedicated hospital staff to Dominic's mates, who chose to huddle together despite the risk, knowing full well the potential consequences. They could simply have maintained their distance like the rest of us do.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 5, 2020 9:48:51 GMT
I do not watch tv so didn't see his performance ... merely reading his 'vaccine' comments and criticism of unpreparedness. I remain unsure that a knighted barrister is the way to acheive socialism and a fairer state. I genuinely hope I'm wrong Rog His point was that whilst as we all known there isn’t a vaccine at the moment and probably not for many months, the time to contemplate how that vaccine will be swiftly delivered to the entire population is now, not when there is a lorry full of the stuff parked up outside no. 10. Seems a valid point to me. A knighted barrister he may be, but he was a human rights lawyer too. My mum was a liberal voter, my dad a Tory, and my uncle a labour voter. The latter was a barrister, QC, old bailey judge, had a London town house in Bayswater that cost 3 million in the 1980s. My parents used to say that in order to want to promote socialism / vote labour, you either have to be skint with nothing to lose, or so rich that you can afford to vote labour without too much of a financial hit. My uncle was in the latter group and I suspect Keir may be too.
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Post by bodger on Apr 5, 2020 9:49:06 GMT
It's the tories' inaction which is delaying the testing and tracing, should have been started weeks back when numbers were lower, polymerase reagents ordered in bulk. But no, they were too busy ignoring their own advice, cuddling up like public school boys and sharing the virus around between them. So now more people will die. do you really believe that no-one had identified the issues and that the government ignored the advice they were given by the experts?
unfortunately the way of the world now is governing by consent involving endless consultations, discussions and committees. you can blame the civil service for that. at least Boris & Co. started dismantling some of that apparatus before the current crisis took hold.
leadership is unfashionable in this country. the last major emergency we suffered was in 1939 when it was eventually found necessary to bring back a cantankerous old bastard who lived off a diet of cigars and whisky after all else had failed. unpopular as it may seem, perhaps we need a dictator to take charge in times of emergency.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 9:52:03 GMT
I know and understand you don't like it Jim but they are our government, duly elected, and doing all they can to deal with this crisis. I think Boris is a publicity seeking, game show celeb ... but I have been surprised and impressed by his commitment and dedication to doing the right thing ... and similarly with the rest of cabinet, and the very many advisers ... medical and financial. What kind of government would hide away in a bunker making their own safety the priority ? Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 9:58:41 GMT
I do not watch tv so didn't see his performance ... merely reading his 'vaccine' comments and criticism of unpreparedness. I remain unsure that a knighted barrister is the way to acheive socialism and a fairer state. I genuinely hope I'm wrong Rog His point was that whilst as we all known there isn’t a vaccine at the moment and probably not for many months, the time to contemplate how that vaccine will be swiftly delivered to the entire population is now, not when there is a lorry full of the stuff parked up outside no. 10. Seems a valid point to me. A knighted barrister he may be, but he was a human rights lawyer too. My mum was a liberal voter, my dad a Tory, and my uncle a labour voter. The latter was a barrister, QC, old bailey judge, had a London town house in Bayswater that cost 3 million in the 1980s. My parents used to say that in order to want to promote socialism / vote labour, you either have to be skint with nothing to lose, or so rich that you can afford to vote labour without too much of a financial hit. My uncle was in the latter group and I suspect Keir may be too. I did not mean to imply that the one precluded the other . Only to suggest such an 'establishment' figure and one so young may not be the best hope. But I hope you're right ... time will tell. Rog
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