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Post by Jim on Apr 5, 2020 10:43:14 GMT
I know and understand you don't like it Jim but they are our government, duly elected, and doing all they can to deal with this crisis. I think Boris is a publicity seeking, game show celeb ... but I have been surprised and impressed by his commitment and dedication to doing the right thing ... and similarly with the rest of cabinet, and the very many advisers ... medical and financial. What kind of government would hide away in a bunker making their own safety the priority ? Rog So "doing the right thing" includes ignoring ones own Instruction to keep 2m apart? I didn't suggest they needed to stay away in a bunker, just demonstrate the same level of commitment and dedication expected of the rest of us, to not catching it in the first place. How responsible is it when you have yet another child on the way? AFAIK serious illness can trigger a miscarriage.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 5, 2020 11:01:21 GMT
I know and understand you don't like it Jim but they are our government, duly elected, I think the Chinese government is who is now ruling over us - all this bickering about Bozo and 'Sir' Remainer-Starmer is meaningless. All hail Xi Jinping! "Now wash your hands!"
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 5, 2020 11:06:34 GMT
His point was that whilst as we all known there isn’t a vaccine at the moment and probably not for many months, the time to contemplate how that vaccine will be swiftly delivered to the entire population is now, not when there is a lorry full of the stuff parked up outside no. 10. Seems a valid point to me. A knighted barrister he may be, but he was a human rights lawyer too. My mum was a liberal voter, my dad a Tory, and my uncle a labour voter. The latter was a barrister, QC, old bailey judge, had a London town house in Bayswater that cost 3 million in the 1980s. My parents used to say that in order to want to promote socialism / vote labour, you either have to be skint with nothing to lose, or so rich that you can afford to vote labour without too much of a financial hit. My uncle was in the latter group and I suspect Keir may be too. I did not mean to imply that the one precluded the other . Only to suggest such an 'establishment' figure and one so young may not be the best hope. But I hope you're right ... time will tell. Rog I’m sure he won’t be perfect, but he is already a hell of a lot better than his predecessor.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 5, 2020 11:07:56 GMT
I'm going to have a stab at the priority for Sir Keir's (non existent) vaccination programme:
1/ NHS workers 2/ Hard working families with children 3/ Pensioners 4/ Homosexual and transgender folk 5/ Employed people recently established as key workers 6/ Other employed people 7/ Ethnic minorities 8/ Self employed people 9/ Women not covered by 1/ to 8/ 10/ Gig workers 11/ Buy to let landlords
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 5, 2020 11:10:45 GMT
The Witch is making masks! Here's me in my Bojo-Statesman pose: "Cripes!"
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Post by Jim on Apr 5, 2020 11:56:58 GMT
I'm going to have a stab at the priority for Sir Keir's (non existent) vaccination programme: 1/ NHS workers 2/ Hard working families with children 3/ Pensioners 4/ Homosexual and transgender folk 5/ Employed people recently established as key workers 6/ Other employed people 7/ Ethnic minorities 8/ Self employed people 9/ Women not covered by 1/ to 8/ 10/ Gig workers 11/ Buy to let landlords Well, I qualify for point 3, don't have to wait for 11. Or Clowns, that you have left off the list.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 5, 2020 11:58:40 GMT
I'm going to have a stab at the priority for Sir Keir's (non existent) vaccination programme: 1/ NHS workers 2/ Hard working families with children 3/ Pensioners 4/ Homosexual and transgender folk 5/ Employed people recently established as key workers 6/ Other employed people 7/ Ethnic minorities 8/ Self employed people 9/ Women not covered by 1/ to 8/ 10/ Gig workers 11/ Buy to let landlords Hope so, that puts me at number 3, or 4 if you mean of state pension age, and Jeff at number 1. But anyway, once labour get into power there won’t be any buy to let landlords, the state will requisition all such properties.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 5, 2020 12:01:41 GMT
I'm going to have a stab at the priority for Sir Keir's (non existent) vaccination programme: 1/ NHS workers 2/ Hard working families with children 3/ Pensioners 4/ Homosexual and transgender folk 5/ Employed people recently established as key workers 6/ Other employed people 7/ Ethnic minorities 8/ Self employed people 9/ Women not covered by 1/ to 8/ 10/ Gig workers 11/ Buy to let landlords Hope so, that puts me at number 3, or 4 if you mean of state pension age, and Jeff at number 1. But anyway, once labour get into power there won’t be any buy to let landlords, the state will requisition all such properties. Tend to agree. Compensation will be paid, at the lower of purchase price or 80% of current market value. This will be justified by 'recognising the profit landlords have made during their period of ownership together with the overriding notion of what's for the public good'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 12:04:52 GMT
Hope so, that puts me at number 3, or 4 if you mean of state pension age, and Jeff at number 1. But anyway, once labour get into power there won’t be any buy to let landlords, the state will requisition all such properties. Tend to agree. Compensation will be paid, at the lower of purchase price or 80% of current market value. I thought you were a staunch supporter of 'no state interference' ......
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 5, 2020 12:08:01 GMT
Tend to agree. Compensation will be paid, at the lower of purchase price or 80% of current market value. I thought you were a staunch supporter of 'no state interference' ...... Yes, I'm a Libertarian but that doesn't stop me adopting the mind set of my political opposites.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 12:11:49 GMT
I thought you were a staunch supporter of 'no state interference' ...... Yes, I'm a Libertarian but that doesn't stop me adopting the mind set of my political opposites. I'd call you a free world fruitcake to be honest
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Post by bodger on Apr 5, 2020 12:12:19 GMT
I thought you were a staunch supporter of 'no state interference' ...... Yes, I'm a Libertarian but that doesn't stop me adopting the mind set of my political opposites. that's unfortunate - local councils are closing libraries as fast as they can remember where they are located.
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Post by bodger on Apr 5, 2020 12:16:55 GMT
I'm going to have a stab at the priority for Sir Keir's (non existent) vaccination programme: 1/ NHS workers 2/ Hard working families with children 3/ Pensioners 4/ Homosexual and transgender folk 5/ Employed people recently established as key workers 6/ Other employed people 7/ Ethnic minorities 8/ Self employed people 9/ Women not covered by 1/ to 8/ 10/ Gig workers 11/ Buy to let landlords Hope so, that puts me at number 3, or 4 if you mean of state pension age, and Jeff at number 1. But anyway, once labour get into power there won’t be any buy to let landlords, the state will requisition all such properties. it doesn't work like that - you have to add together the value of each category that fits - the lowest total gets the vaccine first.
I only qualify in category 3. you will be 7 at least, and Jeff will be a minimum of 5.
hard working NHS workers will be 3, lazy ones will be first in the queue at 1 as long as they are straight - the Starmer New Socialist programme in action.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 5, 2020 12:21:18 GMT
Yes, I'm a Libertarian but that doesn't stop me adopting the mind set of my political opposites. I'd call you a free world fruitcake to be honest That might be a reasonably accurate assertion I'm certainly not socialist although I do support the notion of local community. I'm not conservative, too stuffy and old boy's club for me. Liberal? yes, in some ways, the concept or at least the word itself implies levels of freedom that I support but the political reality falls down on their 'one world one community' notion, together with a large government. Libertarianism doesn't exist as a political notion is this country, other than being a branch within the Tories, and I can't be a Tory. So, having read a little about Libertarianism I'm going to plump for that as being the best describer of my position. Oh, along with being a humanist, but not the socialist vision of what humanism entails.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 12:28:42 GMT
I'd call you a free world fruitcake to be honest That might be a reasonably accurate assertion I'm certainly not socialist although I do support the notion of local community. I'm not conservative, too stuffy and old boy's club for me. Liberal? yes, in some ways, the concept or at least the word itself implies levels of freedom that I support but the political reality falls down on their 'one world one community' notion, together with a large government. Libertarianism doesn't exist as a political notion is this country, other than being a branch within the Tories, and I can't be a Tory. So, having read a little about Libertarianism I'm going to plump for that as being the best describer of my position. Oh, along with being a humanist, but not the socialist vision of what humanism entails. So essentially you want people to live like hippies but not do anything (at all) that annoys you!
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