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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 19, 2019 23:45:40 GMT
Now we are in the 21st Century, is there any reason why it's not possible to vote in a general election using the internet?
The internet seems to be considered secure enough for virtually all of us to do our everyday banking using it, and although there would undoubtedly be issues of "family voting", this practice is already widespread with the postal voting system.
I didn't vote at the 2019 General Election, in large part because it would have involved such an enormous effort to do so. Why can't I vote with a couple of keystrokes and the click of a mouse?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 23:49:02 GMT
Now we are in the 21st Century, is there any reason why it's not possible to vote in a general election using the internet? The internet seems to be considered secure enough for virtually all of us to do our everyday banking using it, and although there would undoubtedly be issues of "family voting", this practice is already widespread with the postal voting system. I take it you have spoken with Putin and the Peterborough labour party office on this subject? Hopefully you have been well rewarded.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 19, 2019 23:55:24 GMT
No, I haven't done either of those things. I take it you don't have a sensible answer?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 0:02:28 GMT
No, I haven't done either of those things. I take it you don't have a sensible answer? Yes I do, admittedly the one I gave was a little sarcastic, but the point was relevant all the same. The internet is light years away from being used for voting. It's far too simple to manipulate as we have found previously.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 20, 2019 0:07:35 GMT
No, I haven't done either of those things. I take it you don't have a sensible answer? Yes I do, admittedly the one I gave was a little sarcastic, but the point was relevant all the same. The internet is light years away from being used for voting. It's far too simple to manipulate as we have found previously. So how come people with millions of pounds in their bank accounts are quite happy to do internet banking?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 0:18:11 GMT
Yes I do, admittedly the one I gave was a little sarcastic, but the point was relevant all the same. The internet is light years away from being used for voting. It's far too simple to manipulate as we have found previously. So how come people with millions of pounds in their bank accounts are quite happy to do internet banking? Theres not the amount of interest in stealing money as there would be in a foreign power looking to cause upheaval in a countries election. I shouldn't have to be explaining this to you. You yourself have seen the recent rise of such behaviour. If certain powers decided to empty a multi millionaires bank account, they would do so, probably with ease. I can't explain why they don't. They could easily bugger about with an internet service operation for an election, and if the media is believed, have done so. To be honest, I doubt millionaires actually use internet banking that much. Probably all done by their accountants. Perhaps ask nick.
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Post by Gone on Dec 20, 2019 6:59:05 GMT
The great benefit of paper voting slips is you can ensure voting is secret and difficult to force a voter to vote the way you want. It is very difficult to change voting slips in sufficient quantities to alter the result, and once counted they can if required be counted again. Postal voting is open to coercion and fraud, but benefits are seen to outweigh the risks. Basically people trust the result, even when they don’t like it. If done electronically the result would not be trusted if it did not give the expected result. In our recent election had it been done ‘paperless’ I think momentum and labour would have been claiming ‘dark state’ manipulation as the only explanation for losing seats they had held for over 50 years. They would then ‘ask’ a selection of voters who would in many cases feel intimidated and lie about how they voted, giving further ‘evidence’ that the official result did not match the survey, meaning the result is fixed. Electronic voting would not be trusted. i certainly would not trust the result after paperless voting to be honest - unless it gave the result I wanted
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Post by JohnV on Dec 20, 2019 7:08:13 GMT
The great benefit of paper voting slips is you can ensure voting is secret and difficult to force a voter to vote the way you want. It is very difficult to change voting slips in sufficient quantities to alter the result, and once counted they can if required be counted again. Postal voting is open to coercion and fraud, but benefits are seen to outweigh the risks. Basically people trust the result, even when they don’t like it. If done electronically the result would not be trusted if it did not give the expected result. In our recent election had it been done ‘paperless’ I think momentum and labour would have been claiming ‘dark state’ manipulation as the only explanation for losing seats they had held for over 50 years. They would then ‘ask’ a selection of voters who would in many cases feel intimidated and lie about how they voted, giving further ‘evidence’ that the official result did not match the survey, meaning the result is fixed. Electronic voting would not be trusted. i certainly would not trust the result after paperless voting to be honest - unless it gave the result I wanted good argument and I find myself in total agreement incidentally on the bank account situation (not that I know that many millionaires) internet banking would probably only be on the petty cash accounts (well petty in their estimation, a fortune in mine) their serious money would not be in such plebian things as .... banks
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 20, 2019 9:22:40 GMT
Good post. When I watched the election results it was amazing to see the dozens, or maybe hundreds of staff sat down putting bit of papers in boxes, or running around carrying boxes. Who are these people, where are the jobs advertised, how much do they get paid? It does very wasteful. Surely it wouldn't be beyond the realms to send a letter to each registered voter with a unique code and password on it, for voting on the internet?
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Post by JohnV on Dec 20, 2019 9:33:33 GMT
Good post. When I watched the election results it was amazing to see the dozens, or maybe hundreds of staff sat down putting bit of papers in boxes, or running around carrying boxes. Who are these people, where are the jobs advertised, how much do they get paid? It does very wasteful. Surely it wouldn't be beyond the realms to send a letter to each registered voter with a unique code and password on it, for voting on the internet? I think Bedruthen has pointed to the flaw in that ....... I agree that interference with the internet in an election is unlikely by criminal elements but either foreign powers or even sections of the establishment is much more of a risk. If you think that interference by the establishment in the political process, in this country, doesn't happen then maybe you should read this article. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/mar/15/comment.labour1and then consider what such an individual could achieve with internet voting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 9:47:06 GMT
We are a 'conservative' nation by nature.
Universal suffrage didn't arrive until well into the twentieth century, slower tham much of Europe.
I have no doubt at some time in the future on line voting will happen, but I don't think its introduction will be about security issues, rather issues of acceptability to the masses.
The ballot box remains a symbol of historic democracy and will not readily be cast aside.
Rog
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Post by JohnV on Dec 20, 2019 9:49:36 GMT
never really understood why they let the plebs have a say anyway
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Post by duncan on Dec 20, 2019 10:09:14 GMT
Good post. When I watched the election results it was amazing to see the dozens, or maybe hundreds of staff sat down putting bit of papers in boxes, or running around carrying boxes. Who are these people, where are the jobs advertised, how much do they get paid? It does very wasteful. Surely it wouldn't be beyond the realms to send a letter to each registered voter with a unique code and password on it, for voting on the internet? My wife works for our local council and she has been asked to do it a few times, both for local and general elections. And once my son becme old enough he did a couple as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 10:12:35 GMT
A sister has done it several times.
She contacted the Job Centre once the election was announced I believe.
She's also done loads of casual summer work as a steward at air shows, concerts etc.
I suppose you have to go looking for the opportunities.
Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 20, 2019 12:06:33 GMT
A sister has done it several times. She contacted the Job Centre once the election was announced I believe. She's also done loads of casual summer work as a steward at air shows, concerts etc. I suppose you have to go looking for the opportunities. Rog OK, something I wouldn't mind doing myself, times are pretty hard at the moment. How did you go about getting your seasonal work in retail?
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