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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 20:14:34 GMT
I never used any of my narrow boats on the tidal Thames but have done on my other boats so I do agree with the general sentiment.
Normal situations do seem to be quite prevalent during the more popular times of year for boating so I think someone with a narrow boat baulking at using it on rivers in general is slightly over the top.
There is a difference between large commercial and/or tidal rivers and inland non tidal relatively benign river waterways.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 8, 2020 20:21:09 GMT
As I read it, the OP and partner had just put in an offer on their first boat and was asking for advice as to which guide was best for moving their boat, i.e. Nicholsons or Pearsons. There was nothing to suggest that they intended to move it "in the immediate future" and the fact that they stated that they had just put in their first offer would suggest that they are at least 6-8 weeks away from taking ownership. Therefore river conditions at this time of year are largely irrelevant.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 8, 2020 20:30:52 GMT
As I read it, the OP and partner had just put in an offer on their first boat and was asking for advice as to which guide was best for moving their boat, i.e. Nicholsons or Pearsons. There was nothing to suggest that they intended to move it "in the immediate future" and the fact that they stated that they had just put in their first offer would suggest that they are at least 6-8 weeks away from taking ownership. Therefore river conditions at this time of year are largely irrelevant. All 3 of my boats offer made accepted and cruised away! Its an instant sort of thing sometimes |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 8, 2020 21:18:05 GMT
As I read it, the OP and partner had just put in an offer on their first boat and was asking for advice as to which guide was best for moving their boat, i.e. Nicholsons or Pearsons. There was nothing to suggest that they intended to move it "in the immediate future" and the fact that they stated that they had just put in their first offer would suggest that they are at least 6-8 weeks away from taking ownership. Therefore river conditions at this time of year are largely irrelevant. The only irrelevancies here are your stupid remarks ! There are no published 'guides' which will keep a complete novice on a newly acquired and unfamiliar boat out of trouble anywhere on the tidal Yorkshire Ouse, . . at ANY time of the year ! |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 8, 2020 21:26:57 GMT
As I read it, the OP and partner had just put in an offer on their first boat and was asking for advice as to which guide was best for moving their boat, i.e. Nicholsons or Pearsons. There was nothing to suggest that they intended to move it "in the immediate future" and the fact that they stated that they had just put in their first offer would suggest that they are at least 6-8 weeks away from taking ownership. Therefore river conditions at this time of year are largely irrelevant. The only irrelevancies here are your stupid remarks ! There are no published 'guides' which will keep a complete novice on a newly acquired and unfamiliar boat out of trouble anywhere on the tidal Yorkshire Ouse, . . at ANY time of the year ! The thing is, Tony, I think the OP is probably more interested in the advice of folk who own boats, rather than in the advice of somebody who tirelessly campaigns to persuade CRT that he doesn't own a boat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 21:35:23 GMT
I was wondering if there were any bridges requiring any sort of high level situational awareness on the big river Ouse.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 9, 2020 7:42:51 GMT
Done. Although it is hidden pending moderator approval, so is not visible yet. ETA. I hope they approve it,as although you and I got off to a rocky start, I wouldn't want to stand in the way of someone getting as much valuable advice as is on offer, wherever it may be. ETAII. Seems you can get around the mod approval by putting up an innocent post, publishing and then editing it. Thank you for doing that. Once your post appeared it prompted several other CWDF members to voice the warnings they should have responded with earlier. Objective achieved ! |
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Post by JohnV on Jan 9, 2020 7:53:52 GMT
Done. Although it is hidden pending moderator approval, so is not visible yet. ETA. I hope they approve it,as although you and I got off to a rocky start, I wouldn't want to stand in the way of someone getting as much valuable advice as is on offer, wherever it may be. ETAII. Seems you can get around the mod approval by putting up an innocent post, publishing and then editing it. Thank you for doing that. Once your post appeared it prompted several other CWDF members to voice the warnings they should have responded with earlier. Objective achieved ! part of the answer to the original post on CWDF (as quoted here ..... I've not seen it myself) i.e. which is best guide Nicholsons or Pearsons the answer should be "for the area you are in ....... neither " the only guide that has any value is the (although not perfect) Boating Association guide for the Ouse |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 9, 2020 8:10:17 GMT
Wasn't there a thread on canalworld about someone who narrowly missed a nasty situation up there somewhere? Maybe linking to that thread might work. This is probably the one you're thinking of : www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/75976-narrowboat-stuck-in-the-humber/page/2/A complete novice, with a newly acquired boat, sent on his way by C&RT staff at Naburn in river conditions and at a time which would guarantee him having to negotiate Cawood bridge on a strong Spring Ebb plus several feet of fresh, and when there wouldn't be much over 7' clearance to the roadway support girders under the bridge deck. Watched by the horrified bridge-keeper, the boater escaped decapitation by mere inches. A little later he was swept through Selby and unable to get into the lock because of the rate of the combined Ebb + a lot of fresh, ending up aground and dried out on the sandbank between Boothferry Bridge and Hospital Island before being towed into Goole on the next tide by Humber Rescue. A lot more detail and background to this incident can be found from this link : www.narrowboatworld.com/index.php/news-flash/8158-not-a-pleasurable-days-pleasure-boating |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 11, 2020 10:44:14 GMT
I see that the CWDF fondness for encouraging inexperienced pleasure boaters to indulge in kamikaze jaunts on tidal rivers is persisting in the "Canal network maps" topic over there.
I very much hope that the prospective novice boat owner who began the thread isn't persuaded to make his first trip with his new acquisition bringing it unassisted onto the canal system from the York area by anything that Canalboat, Midnight, and Howardang are saying. All three of them really are being highly irresponsible and doing nobody any favours with the crap they're posting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 11:00:21 GMT
I see that the CWDF fondness for encouraging inexperienced pleasure boaters to indulge in kamikaze jaunts on tidal rivers is persisting in the "Canal network maps" topic over there.
I very much hope that the prospective novice boat owner who began the thread isn't persuaded to make his first trip with his new acquisition bringing it unassisted onto the canal system from the York area by anything that Canalboat, Midnight, and Howardang are saying. All three of them really are being highly irresponsible and doing nobody any favours with the crap they're posting. FWIW, the chap who started the thread on CWDF didn't respond to the PM I sent him. It still shows as unread, though that obviously doesn't mean he hasn't read it. |
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 11, 2020 11:03:01 GMT
I see that the CWDF fondness for encouraging inexperienced pleasure boaters to indulge in kamikaze jaunts on tidal rivers is persisting in the "Canal network maps" topic over there.
I very much hope that the prospective novice boat owner who began the thread isn't persuaded to make his first trip with his new acquisition bringing it unassisted onto the canal system from the York area by anything that Canalboat, Midnight, and Howardang are saying. All three of them really are being highly irresponsible and doing nobody any favours with the crap they're posting. Agreed, but I think there has been sufficient weight of opinion to the contrary, that if he does decide to make the trip alone as his first trip, he will only have himself to blame. In a large forum, there is bound to be a fair contingent of idiots. And in a small forum... |
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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2020 11:34:50 GMT
I see that the CWDF fondness for encouraging inexperienced pleasure boaters to indulge in kamikaze jaunts on tidal rivers is persisting in the "Canal network maps" topic over there.
I very much hope that the prospective novice boat owner who began the thread isn't persuaded to make his first trip with his new acquisition bringing it unassisted onto the canal system from the York area by anything that Canalboat, Midnight, and Howardang are saying. All three of them really are being highly irresponsible and doing nobody any favours with the crap they're posting. Tony I am going to post the 2 links that you have in your post above, I cannot believe what they are saying, the boats which do go beyond Goole are big and if he misses Selby which is easily possible he will meet these boats which cant stop or avoid him! Its a total nonsense what they are going on about
Cheers Peter
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Post by peterboat on Jan 11, 2020 11:41:22 GMT
Done. Although it is hidden pending moderator approval, so is not visible yet. ETA. I hope they approve it,as although you and I got off to a rocky start, I wouldn't want to stand in the way of someone getting as much valuable advice as is on offer, wherever it may be. ETAII. Seems you can get around the mod approval by putting up an innocent post, publishing and then editing it. Thank you for doing that. Once your post appeared it prompted several other CWDF members to voice the warnings they should have responded with earlier. Objective achieved ! Often Tony I dont see things if I had I would have poster earlier, you brought it to my attention |
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jan 11, 2020 12:20:25 GMT
Thank you for doing that. Once your post appeared it prompted several other CWDF members to voice the warnings they should have responded with earlier. Objective achieved ! Often Tony I dont see things if I had I would have poster earlier, you brought it to my attention The criticism wasn't aimed at you, Peter, . . it was directed at those who immediately answered the query about boating Guides without any kind of warnings about the Ouse from York down to even only as far as Selby. Despite the poster making it absolutely clear that he was a complete novice there were even some mentions of the possibility of getting onto the canals and/or the Trent via Goole or Trent End [Trent Falls], . . quite beyond belief really, . . who in their right minds would plant such ideas in the mind of a novice who was having to ask advice about the best canal guide to buy ??!! |
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