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Post by peterboat on Jan 29, 2020 13:59:35 GMT
Over 4.5 billion years old and in two hundred or so years since the industrial revolution we've irrecoverable damaged it ? The climate has always changed, and no doubt, will always change. We are damaging the environment and need to change our ways speedily, that is generally agreed. I'm no scientist and can only base my views on what I read. From what I've read the causes are what is debatable. Rog Rog you are kidding nobody but yourself, in the last 200 years the population has gone from under 1 billion to 7.7 billion and is growing by the second, 100 years ago journeys were done on trains, trams, buses, bikes, horse and cart and foot, 50 years ago hardly anybody had a car now most families have 2 plus cars.
Now we have people flying everywhere cheaply, driving everywhere cheaply, house have central heating, every thing we do has a carbon footprint which is getting ever bigger! Where are you at the moment? its just so I can come a dig you a hole to bury your head in!!!
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Post by Jim on Jan 29, 2020 14:14:34 GMT
Over 4.5 billion years old and in two hundred or so years since the industrial revolution we've irrecoverable damaged it ? The climate has always changed, and no doubt, will always change. We are damaging the environment and need to change our ways speedily, that is generally agreed. I'm no scientist and can only base my views on what I read. From what I've read the causes are what is debatable. Rog Rog you are kidding nobody but yourself, in the last 200 years the population has gone from under 1 billion to 7.7 billion and is growing by the second, 100 years ago journeys were done on trains, trams, buses, bikes, horse and cart and foot, 50 years ago hardly anybody had a car now most families have 2 plus cars.
Now we have people flying everywhere cheaply, driving everywhere cheaply, house have central heating, every thing we do has a carbon footprint which is getting ever bigger! Where are you at the moment? its just so I can come a dig you a hole to bury your head in!!! Also, carbon that was sequestrated over millenia, carboniferous era etc, has been dug out and released in a couple of hundred years, disturbing the balance of the atmosphere. AFAIK that is the major contributor, we're the culprits. I forgot something for my list of badges, "Flexitarian"! Most of our meals are veggie, some may even be vegan, by taste and choice. Though those little baa lambs and calves grown round here are about all the land can produce and they are very tasty on occasion. As are my chickens and their eggs. As for causes being debatable, well yes, debate all you want, but many many scientists have come up with the right answer already. It's an uncomfortable answer, we might not like it but we have to get on with it.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jan 29, 2020 14:16:02 GMT
I've not produced any kids, done my bit. Now, anyone know where I can rent a jetski in Bali?
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 29, 2020 14:20:22 GMT
We do what we can, replaced last diesel with a petrol car, only make necessary journeys in car and even then combine trips instead of nipping to town for the odd screw and bolt a few times a day. I go on my bike when I can, shame that swmbo can't ride any more. Minimise on our heating, only the room we are in. We have solar on the roof, doing its bit.Turn off sockets /chargers not in use. Our next car will probably be a phev of some sort, most of our journeys would then be electric. We need more power to tow the caravan, even that is sub 750kg, we downsized to a tiny Freedom 2 berth a few years back. I really must get round to sewing the "virtue" badges on my sleeve, there'll be more than I had in the cub scouts. 😂😂😂😂 Next car, caravan, boat, rental property(s). Virtuous? You are deluded, but as long as you're happy...
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Post by Jim on Jan 29, 2020 14:29:19 GMT
How are rental properties un green. Its the tenants that control most of that, meanwhile I've had them inspected and brought up to spec with insulation, efficient (by yesterday's standards) heating etc. All I can do is try to minimise the effects of everything else. I'm not towing a 20ft 4 wheeler with a huge suv, like MJG, I have a relatively pollution free outboard pushing the boat. What are you doing? Grumbling produces excess CO2 BTW.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 29, 2020 14:33:51 GMT
How are rental properties un green. Its the tenants that control most of that, meanwhile I've had them inspected and brought up to spec with insulation, efficient (by yesterday's standards) heating etc. All I can do is try to minimise the effects of everything else. I'm not towing a 20ft 4 wheeler with a huge suv, like MJG, I have a relatively pollution free outboard pushing the boat. What are you doing? Grumbling produces excess CO2 BTW. . Stopping doing/consuming has One 45 year old vehicle sub 1,000 miles/year, one boat that never moves. 2 of us live on sub £10k/year. The point is that doing something a bit differently has little effect, people need to stop doing things and consuming stuff. For instance it takes energy to get you from a to b however you do it. If you don't go...
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Post by ianali on Jan 29, 2020 14:39:21 GMT
How are rental properties un green. Its the tenants that control most of that, meanwhile I've had them inspected and brought up to spec with insulation, efficient (by yesterday's standards) heating etc. All I can do is try to minimise the effects of everything else. I'm not towing a 20ft 4 wheeler with a huge suv, like MJG, I have a relatively pollution free outboard pushing the boat. What are you doing? Grumbling produces excess CO2 BTW. You do come over as someone that preaches to others whilst doing little to curb your own bad habits. Like another poster who appears to have spent much of his life travelling the world doing as he wished, yet now telling us all we mustn’t even breathe to hard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 16:26:57 GMT
I've not produced any kids, done my bit. Now, anyone know where I can rent a jetski in Bali? Valid point on the first sentence. I'm going to be hypocrite soon as I've been bought a flight to Iceland for my 60th. I could have just walked around the one in Milton Keynes....
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Post by bodger on Jan 29, 2020 17:33:35 GMT
As for causes being debatable, well yes, debate all you want, but many many scientists have come up with the right answer already. It's an uncomfortable answer, we might not like it but we have to get on with it. Darwin was ridiculed for many years, and still is in that primitive colony across the pond, and by the self-serving and short-sighted consortium of ludicrous organisations who believe that praying and condemning infidels to eternal hell-fire is what some fairy in the sky wishes them to do as a priority over saving the planet on which that same sky fairy's chosen race is trapped.
As Jim points out - the facts, the causes (at least those that are under our control which may actually be all of them) and the effects are already established. Anyone who still wants to debate them is putting himself in the seat of an ignorant but pompous Victorian clerical gentleman for whom Darwin was merely an inconvenience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 17:50:14 GMT
How are rental properties un green. Its the tenants that control most of that, meanwhile I've had them inspected and brought up to spec with insulation, efficient (by yesterday's standards) heating etc. All I can do is try to minimise the effects of everything else. I'm not towing a 20ft 4 wheeler with a huge suv, like MJG, I have a relatively pollution free outboard pushing the boat. What are you doing? Grumbling produces excess CO2 BTW. You do come over as someone that preaches to others whilst doing little to curb your own bad habits. Like another poster who appears to have spent much of his life travelling the world doing as he wished, yet now telling us all we mustn’t even breathe to hard. Are you talking about Peterboat?
Often wondered how he reconciled numerous vehicles, property, travel etc. with being 'eco friendly'.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 29, 2020 18:06:01 GMT
Rog you are kidding nobody but yourself, in the last 200 years the population has gone from under 1 billion to 7.7 billion and is growing by the second, 100 years ago journeys were done on trains, trams, buses, bikes, horse and cart and foot, 50 years ago hardly anybody had a car now most families have 2 plus cars.
Now we have people flying everywhere cheaply, driving everywhere cheaply, house have central heating, every thing we do has a carbon footprint which is getting ever bigger! Where are you at the moment? its just so I can come a dig you a hole to bury your head in!!! Also, carbon that was sequestrated over millenia, carboniferous era etc, has been dug out and released in a couple of hundred years, disturbing the balance of the atmosphere. AFAIK that is the major contributor, we're the culprits. I think Blue Circle cement trucks should drive up to the edge of active volcano craters and fill them in!! Also, nails to be hammered into the ocean beds to prevent them from shifting about. I blame volcanoes and plate tectonics for the change in climate. Sit on the right hand side on flights from Tokyo to Osaka to see Mt Fuji and wave your fist at it and curse it! Spews out millions of tonnes of noxious gases.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 29, 2020 18:17:54 GMT
How are rental properties un green. Its the tenants that control most of that, meanwhile I've had them inspected and brought up to spec with insulation, efficient (by yesterday's standards) heating etc. All I can do is try to minimise the effects of everything else. I'm not towing a 20ft 4 wheeler with a huge suv, like MJG, I have a relatively pollution free outboard pushing the boat. What are you doing? Grumbling produces excess CO2 BTW. . Stopping doing/consuming has 1. people need to stop doing things and consuming stuff. 2. For instance it takes energy to get you from a to b however you do it. If you don't go... 1. The problem is you do your bit but just see everybody else just carrying on as usual - and the rich/wealthy will never stifle their lifestyle as dramatically as to make a difference. 2. I think a decent communal restaurant in each village/town (within a reasonable distance) would save a lot. Saves everyone driving back and forth to the food shops, saves energy in cooking, saves time and trouble, could see that everyone gets decent nutrition, saves all that food packaging which is currently being found in whales' stomachs... would also save a heap of money!
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Post by ianali on Jan 29, 2020 18:45:31 GMT
You do come over as someone that preaches to others whilst doing little to curb your own bad habits. Like another poster who appears to have spent much of his life travelling the world doing as he wished, yet now telling us all we mustn’t even breathe to hard. Are you talking about Peterboat?
Often wondered how he reconciled numerous vehicles, property, travel etc. with being 'eco friendly'.
Yes. Anyway, I see the personal attacks have started and I know from previous experience with the Brexit thread, that anyone who dares to have a differing opinion, is written off as a fool. Therefore il refrain from further discussion of this topic, on here anyway.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 29, 2020 18:46:24 GMT
"When it’s all said and done, it’s in Finnish hands whether they continue to reproduce or cease to be a people…
New statistics: Every seventh Finnish child is born to an immigrant mother
According to recent data from Statistics Finland, the share of mothers with a foreign background in children born in Finland has tripled in the 2000s.
The four sons and daughter of Ghislane Kyubwa greet the guests in Hämeenlinna.
“For us Africans, children are pride. That there are no children, is almost a shame. The family is not happy without children", says the Congolean Ghislane Kyubwa. She has a permanent residence permit.
In 2018, 10.2 percent of women of childbearing age in Finland were immigrants. However, they are responsible for 14.4 percent of all children born that year."
I suspect the family is also not happy without Finnish Child Benefit.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 29, 2020 19:40:03 GMT
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