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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 8:25:57 GMT
Having a quick wander through CWDF, I see several pages on this subject have been added since Thursday. Here's one comment I found interesting:
"Selby Michael had been moored below the lock for well over a year. Would a responsible owner not check up on it in that time and do something if they felt it was insecure?"
For how long had SM been tied up at that spot?
"when it broke adrift last Sunday evening it was from where it had been temporarily moved to and moored by C&RT behind the bullnose below Hazleford Lock using only 2, or possibly 3, out of the total of 5 headropes, springs, and sternrope with which I had last left the vessel secured."
-what does 'temporarily moved to' mean? When exactly was it moored by CRT? Had it been there for hours, days, months, years? Just trying to establish facts, as most of what has been written is all supposition and rumour and all somewhat murky.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 8:40:24 GMT
. . . . . . . . . What was the 'sweetener'? It was - to quote from the post you're quoting from - " a sweetener in the shape of a suggested compromise over their unreasonable, and unlawful, insistence that my out of commission pleasure boat must be subject to a full BSC examination." Which bit of that can't you understand ? Have you completely forgotten everything about the "Rivers Only Licence" thread ? We can't understand what the "suggested compromise" is unless you tell us. I can't believe Stuart Garner said "We would like to offer you a compromise over our unreasonable and unlawful insistence that you get a BSA examination for your out of commission pleasure boat." and then you just said "Thanks!" and put the phone down. Surely you would have said "What compromise?" Why would they even offer you a compromise? For what? Are CRT admitting liability? An insurance company would like to see this in writing! Only CRT's insurance company would definitely NOT want to see that in writing, or to have CRT admit ANYTHING as in that case they would be breaking the terms of their insurance contract. It is for insurance companies between themselves to wrangle over liability. At least, when I was in bus driving school in England I was told: NEVER admit you are the guilty party - the insurance company will then wash their hands of you. You may not have been the guilty party. State the facts, that is all. (In Finland it is different, you may indeed say 'sorry, my fault' if an accident has obviously been caused by one of two parties. Yes, I don't know why either, and I keep in mind it's best to say as little as possible and blame the other person if you can!!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 8:41:37 GMT
Having a quick wander through CWDF, I see several pages on this subject have been added since Thursday. Here's one comment I found interesting: "Selby Michael had been moored below the lock for well over a year. Would a responsible owner not check up on it in that time and do something if they felt it was insecure?" For how long had SM been tied up at that spot? "when it broke adrift last Sunday evening it was from where it had been temporarily moved to and moored by C&RT behind the bullnose below Hazleford Lock using only 2, or possibly 3, out of the total of 5 headropes, springs, and sternrope with which I had last left the vessel secured." -what does 'temporarily moved to' mean? When exactly was it moored by CRT? Had it been there for hours, days, months, years? Just trying to establish facts, as most of what has been written is all supposition and rumour and all somewhat murky. Here's an idea which sounds right up your street. MM might be able to get you a job with MI5.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 8:42:29 GMT
"Selby Michael had been moored below the lock for well over a year. Would a responsible owner not check up on it in that time and do something if they felt it was insecure?"
"Its been there for 6 years"
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 8:42:56 GMT
Having a quick wander through CWDF, I see several pages on this subject have been added since Thursday. Here's one comment I found interesting: "Selby Michael had been moored below the lock for well over a year. Would a responsible owner not check up on it in that time and do something if they felt it was insecure?" For how long had SM been tied up at that spot? "when it broke adrift last Sunday evening it was from where it had been temporarily moved to and moored by C&RT behind the bullnose below Hazleford Lock using only 2, or possibly 3, out of the total of 5 headropes, springs, and sternrope with which I had last left the vessel secured." -what does 'temporarily moved to' mean? When exactly was it moored by CRT? Had it been there for hours, days, months, years? Just trying to establish facts, as most of what has been written is all supposition and rumour and all somewhat murky. Here's an idea which sounds right up your street. MM might be able to get you a job with MI5. SShhh.....! I'm still trawling through the thread...
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Post by Gone on Feb 2, 2020 8:43:17 GMT
Question : Who at CRT said [ they would look into it all on Monday morning] this? That seems extremely irresponsible and shouldn't they be having their collar felt by the Police right now? However... you say the Police and Fire Brigade weren't interested... Why not? Did they just say over the phone "Oh.. we're not interested in that" ? Hard to believe. ................ Make of that what you will !! Knowing how large Organizations work, the moving of the vessel by CRT would have been done by ‘local staff’ and not reported to the office as it followed your agreement with them, and the office had no need to know. So when the reports of a loose vessel came into the office they would have assumed it was the owner’s responsibility for recovery and return costs etc. As the vessel was now safe there was no urgent need to contact the owner. However that all changed when they realised they are responsible, and to minimise the risk of claims and bad publicity they feel it wise to keep you ‘happy’.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 8:47:36 GMT
" You would if you knew how it was done Foxy was banned and they never even told him!! " - yes, this is true. No warning. Just a plastic bag placed over my head whilst I was asleep.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 8:55:07 GMT
"Do you know of any other forum/board etc. that feels the need to have a special section for discussing another forum?"
Do all forums have to follow the same format? Are we sheep or innovators?
You have to be a special kind of thick to not understand why CWDF is not occasionally discussed here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 9:00:22 GMT
"Do you know of any other forum/board etc. that feels the need to have a special section for discussing another forum?" Do all forums have to follow the same format? Are we sheep or innovators? You have to be a special kind of thick to not understand why CWDF is not occasionally discussed here. Is this some weird 'Gollum like' conversation with yourself ? Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 9:02:47 GMT
"Do you know of any other forum/board etc. that feels the need to have a special section for discussing another forum?" Do all forums have to follow the same format? Are we sheep or innovators? You have to be a special kind of thick to not understand why CWDF is not occasionally discussed here. Apparently they discuss us a lot. Anyway shouldn't you have posted that in the 'special section'?
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 9:04:04 GMT
"I agree but if an apology had been sent out to the banned members when it was realised that the mods had gone mad! Things could have been solved" - Peterboat
"Maybe, but it's been 3? Years, it's a forum run by amateurs, it is what it is" - tree monkey
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 9:06:44 GMT
" Not that I visit often, but I am always left thinking "Why is it still going on?" " - perhaps you should ask yourself why they are still discussing Foot-&-Mouth in the Lake District.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 9:10:30 GMT
"If you've got a willy worth waving just go on and flaunt it
Phil"
Hmmm.... not sure if we should consider taking a mooring in Isleham after all...
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 9:18:21 GMT
"When they are discussing a forum I post on there is a chance (small I admit) they be a might be discussing me so what they say about CWDF is a legitimate interest of mine." - Jerra
Sorry, no - I can't recall a single post* about you on Thunderboat. Ever. Talk about a self-inflated sense of importance.
(*OK - this one and the above foot-&-mouth comment get close)
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 2, 2020 9:25:24 GMT
................ Make of that what you will !! However that all changed when they realised they are responsible Are they responsible? The direction the insurance claims take will establish this.
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