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Post by quaysider on Feb 13, 2020 13:10:16 GMT
I feel that it would be a Good Thing if humans were knocked down a bit. If it meant I died of a virus then I would view that as a positive. Yes life is precious in theory but there are too many humans about and it is high time that a major correction took place. The great thing with a virus like this is that if it was unleashed properly it would take out the less productive and less healthy humans leaving behind a selection of fit and healthy creatures to face the new world order.
Or something ETA the problem is humans are so bloody adaptable and durable it probably won't work and something far more unpleasant will happen like wars which have a nasty habit of killing the fit and healthy specimens !! er didn't some "nut job" think like that in history and come up the "the final solution" eeeek!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 13:39:58 GMT
I feel that it would be a Good Thing if humans were knocked down a bit. If it meant I died of a virus then I would view that as a positive. Yes life is precious in theory but there are too many humans about and it is high time that a major correction took place. The great thing with a virus like this is that if it was unleashed properly it would take out the less productive and less healthy humans leaving behind a selection of fit and healthy creatures to face the new world order.
Or something ETA the problem is humans are so bloody adaptable and durable it probably won't work and something far more unpleasant will happen like wars which have a nasty habit of killing the fit and healthy specimens !! er didn't some "nut job" think like that in history and come up the "the final solution" eeeek! 'The 'Final Solution' was part of a twisted ideology. A deadly pandemic would in theory result in a generally healthier if somewhat smaller population, and can have beneficial results - the Black Death effectively ended feudal society in England. MM is alluding to the fact that disease tends to exact the greatest number of victims amongst the young, elderly, and particularly those of already poor health. Earlier today an expert stated an opinion that we are at the beginning of the crisis and that 60% of the population who contract the disease will experience mild or no symptoms. He didn't make any prediction on the death rate though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 13:51:11 GMT
Yes and despite some people using inflammatory language the events which happened in the 1940s were part of a well organised genocide. Nothing more complicated than that at the end of the day. Obviously people want to blow it all up and make it look important but it was just good old fashioned genocide. Nothing new under the sun.
genocide
noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group. "a campaign of genocide"
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Post by peterboat on Feb 13, 2020 14:35:07 GMT
Anyway I miss patty . She's been gone a while now. Let's hope all is well. It seems more than one cruise ship in the far East is having problems. This one has been refused docking despite having no cases of the virus on board .. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51484625Finally allowed to anchor off Cambodia and arrange for passengers to fly home via their airport. This virus is going to have serious repercussions across the globe. Obviously it’s tragic when people die, but I’m thinking more about the financial side of it. My son works for a company that relies on Chinese products. They will start to run low on stocks in a couple of weeks. My daughter works for Next. Several of her suppliers have started to run out of products. Sons girlfriend is a flight attendant for BA. She came back from Kuala Lumpur 3 days ago. No problems for her but her mum, who works for Lloyds bank has been given 2 weeks off, was told she is a potential health hazard because her daughter was in a high risk area. Triumph motorcycles are struggling with their supply chain from Asia. Next doors neighbours brother, a JLR employee sent home from China. It’s concerning how reliant we have become on China. Emma a friend works as a buyer for Wilkinsons HQ in Worksop their order for summer looks like it isnt coming and nobody who she rings is answering the phone in China, very strange times indeed
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 13, 2020 17:09:34 GMT
Anyway I miss patty . She's been gone a while now. Let's hope all is well. It seems more than one cruise ship in the far East is having problems. This one has been refused docking despite having no cases of the virus on board .. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51484625Finally allowed to anchor off Cambodia and arrange for passengers to fly home via their airport. This virus is going to have serious repercussions across the globe. Obviously it’s tragic when people die, but I’m thinking more about the financial side of it. My son works for a company that relies on Chinese products. They will start to run low on stocks in a couple of weeks. My daughter works for Next. Several of her suppliers have started to run out of products. Sons girlfriend is a flight attendant for BA. She came back from Kuala Lumpur 3 days ago. No problems for her but her mum, who works for Lloyds bank has been given 2 weeks off, was told she is a potential health hazard because her daughter was in a high risk area. Triumph motorcycles are struggling with their supply chain from Asia. Next doors neighbours brother, a JLR employee sent home from China. It’s concerning how reliant we have become on China. Yes... serves everyone right for wanting cheap stuff. Well, now you have coronavirus - for free! Finnair is now having 'negotiations' to get rid of workers now that flights to China have stopped. I read that British Airways and Lufthansa have also stopped flights to China. However, let's not panic: "Back from 2 weeks work at Huawei in Shenzhen, no flu or cold issues to report anywhere around there. Its possibly a real issue, I mean, 600 dead out of a 1.3 billion population, its a real concern (if you believe the Daily Fail!)" ...
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 13, 2020 17:17:40 GMT
er didn't some "nut job" think like that in history and come up the "the final solution" eeeek! A deadly pandemic would in theory result in a generally healthier if somewhat smaller population, It's impossible to define 'healthy'. What would be left would simply be those immune to the virus, or capable of dealing with it. Genetics is a complicated area of study.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 13, 2020 17:22:54 GMT
Yes and despite some people using inflammatory language the events which happened in the 1940s were part of a well organised genocide. Exactly what the Chinese are now doing with the Uighurs! Yet... nobody cares. Perhaps this is God's retribution to the Chinese for ill-treating the Tibetans and incarcerating the Uighurs. "Leaked documents detail for the first time China's systematic brainwashing of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in a network of high-security prison camps. The Chinese government has consistently claimed the camps in the far western Xinjiang region offer voluntary education and training. But official documents, seen by BBC Panorama, show how inmates are locked up, indoctrinated and punished. China's UK ambassador dismissed the documents as fake news." "a gross human rights violation," she said. "I think it's fair to describe everyone being detained as being subject at least to psychological torture, because they literally don't know how long they're going to be there." www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 13, 2020 17:24:46 GMT
This virus is going to have serious repercussions across the globe. Obviously it’s tragic when people die, but I’m thinking more about the financial side of it. My son works for a company that relies on Chinese products. They will start to run low on stocks in a couple of weeks. My daughter works for Next. Several of her suppliers have started to run out of products. Sons girlfriend is a flight attendant for BA. She came back from Kuala Lumpur 3 days ago. No problems for her but her mum, who works for Lloyds bank has been given 2 weeks off, was told she is a potential health hazard because her daughter was in a high risk area. Triumph motorcycles are struggling with their supply chain from Asia. Next doors neighbours brother, a JLR employee sent home from China. It’s concerning how reliant we have become on China. Emma a friend works as a buyer for Wilkinsons HQ in Worksop their order for summer looks like it isnt coming and nobody who she rings is answering the phone in China Is she sure she isn't ringing the wong numbers?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 17:38:45 GMT
Mr Wong drove his wife to the hospital as she was in labour.
Mrs. Wong had the baby soon after they arrived, and after they got to see their child, a nurse took it away for medical examinations. When she returned, she was carrying a white baby, not an Asian one. Mr. Wong was surprised and a little annoyed at the mistake and curtly told the nurse to go back and get their actual baby. The nurse insisted that it was the correct child, but Mr. Wong was positive that a mistake had been made, because, as he put it, "Two Wongs don't make a white."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 19:12:19 GMT
A deadly pandemic would in theory result in a generally healthier if somewhat smaller population, It's impossible to define 'healthy'. What would be left would simply be those immune to the virus, or capable of dealing with it. Genetics is a complicated area of study. Following a lethal pandemic, I think a satisfactory definition of 'healthy' would be 'not dead'. The highest levels of mortality are always among the elderly and the young.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 13, 2020 19:28:52 GMT
It's impossible to define 'healthy'. What would be left would simply be those immune to the virus, or capable of dealing with it. Genetics is a complicated area of study. Following a lethal pandemic, I think a satisfactory definition of 'healthy' would be 'not dead'. The highest levels of mortality are always among the elderly and the young. Yes, but as magnetman pointed out, what if a virus killed what we would normally regard as 'the healthy' and left just , let's say, the mentally handicapped and those who need to use glasses? Could one describe such a population as 'healthy'? There's that saying - Man recognises Nature, but Nature doesn't recognise Man. A lot of healthy people have been wiped out for apparently no good reason at all as in so many pointless wars - we can only speculate that is these people hadn't vanished, would the world be a better place or not. I think it's pretty obvious that with an increase in population there will be something 'natural' happening to cull the numbers, and this new coronavirus could be simply that - but of course there could be other causes such as a leak (deliberate?) from the bio-weapons institute near Wuhan, or the Russians or Americans just having a laugh. Catching something nasty from eating live monkey brains (hear them scream!) or filthy bats in soup I'd classify as 'natural'. Anyway, fact is, this coronavirus has created a disturbance of sorts.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 13, 2020 19:42:05 GMT
"Ultimately, their lack of knowledge or preparation against any bacteria indigenous to Earth, causes their destruction here"
From War of the Worlds.
Humans have 'earned' their right to live on the Earth, having had to battle against the genes of other species since life first arose on this planet. A billion and a half years to get where we are today. Living in symbiotic harmony with the microbes inside us and many outside of us. We have a long history behind us.
From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this Earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges, for neither do men live, nor die, in vain.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 13, 2020 19:42:10 GMT
It's impossible to define 'healthy'. What would be left would simply be those immune to the virus, or capable of dealing with it. Genetics is a complicated area of study. Following a lethal pandemic, I think a satisfactory definition of 'healthy' would be 'not dead'. The highest levels of mortality are always among the elderly and the young. oddly, the exception was the Spanish Flu ....... the highest death toll was among the young and fit (a possibility being that large numbers of soldiers were gathered together making a perfect target for infection)
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 13, 2020 19:49:04 GMT
It's impossible to define 'healthy'. What would be left would simply be those immune to the virus, or capable of dealing with it. Genetics is a complicated area of study. Following a lethal pandemic, I think a satisfactory definition of 'healthy' would be 'not dead'. The highest levels of mortality are always among the elderly and the young. And I always like this. It's very sobering. Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known. -- Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot, 1994
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 19:55:18 GMT
The director of the Yutani bio-weapons division gave me his personal assurance he has no knowledge of the virus just last week. But my pet hamster told me he was lying.
This whole episode is as natural as the BSE event.
ETA is eating live monkey brains more or less weird than eating a burger made from the brains of a cow that was fed with the unsaleable remnants of another cow?
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