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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 18:36:48 GMT
This might not be news. It appears that emissions from boats have been noted. The clean air act seems to specifically exempt boats but I think that was to do with commercials. This new bill specifically mentions "vessels which are moored" which seems to be more concerning. Coal fires rather than engines and generators. From here(link downloads a pdf) publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0009/20009.pdfMaybe time for a bit of Bob Dylan
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 18:44:55 GMT
Am I missing something ... doesn't that just say you can't use controlled fuels in a smoke controlled area ( ie smokeless fuel only) ?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 11, 2020 18:46:09 GMT
Am I missing something ... doesn't that just say you can't use controlled fuels in a smoke controlled area ( ie smokeless fuel only) ? Rog in the original clean air act boats were exempt from the regs
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 18:53:14 GMT
Our very first hire boat we were told we could only use smokeless fuel. That was in the 1990's. We burnt wood anyway ... like you do Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 18:53:43 GMT
Am I missing something ... doesn't that just say you can't use controlled fuels in a smoke controlled area ( ie smokeless fuel only) ? Rog It also notes systems installed prior to new legislation. Although boats were previously allowed to burn house coal, it seems they are not exempt now, but it's fake news and scaremongering, to imply stoves will be banned, as smokeless fuel is still to be acceptable, and the powers that be are more interested in less polluting coal-fuel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:01:26 GMT
I'm not that interested in the powers that be it is the people liable to do complaints about boaters who bother me.
It's not about stoves being banned it is about smoke, and complaints.
Any normal person can see that "smokeless fuel" produces smoke. How is an ordinary complaining type person going to know the fuel being burned is approved?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:08:15 GMT
My stove is 9kw, and a fair size. It takes 10kg a fill. I tend to use excel mostly, but have noticed over the years that the heat content is becoming lower, running at around 200 on the temperature gauge. When it's really cold, I'll burn a bit of house coal mixed, which sees the temperature hit 400. I recently tried eco coal, and it was complete crap burning at less than 150. £12.50 a bag, and only lasted a day.
The government suddenly banning stoves for heating will cause uproar I'm sure, especially if heating costs with alternative fuel is 3 or four times more expensive. This would not just affect boat owners.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 11, 2020 19:14:39 GMT
have you tried anthracite ? It doesn't suit some stoves but if you can use it, it's calorific value is high and is classed as a smokeless fuel
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:17:13 GMT
have you tried anthracite ? It doesn't suit some stoves but if you can use it, it's calorific value is high and is classed as a smokeless fuel Yes, I do use that when it's available, large. Only one provider down this way though. It mixes well with winter blaze, and lasts well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:31:59 GMT
Anyway, come the revolution, we wont get people complaining, they'll be asking to share the heat on your boat because their homes are phukin freezing owing to new technology not working, (or existing).
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 11, 2020 19:46:25 GMT
Any normal person can see that "smokeless fuel" produces smoke. How is an ordinary complaining type person going to know the fuel being burned is approved? Absolutely. All of the 'smokeless' coal we have bought is simply a lie. None of it has not produced smoke. I actually like thick smoke pouring out of our chimney, it's one of the nicest things about boating. Looks 'homely'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:52:53 GMT
There's smoke and smoke.
Smokeless fuels tend to put a little smoke out initially, I think it's mostly just drying off ... but within 20 mins it's smoke free.
House coal and wet wood puts thick, acrid, smoke out constantly.
It smells like you're burning a sheep, and rather than dissipating, the smoke just gathers and sits in a cloud and it's like you're living on a South Yorkshire pit estate in the 1960's again.
By comparison 'smokeless' is a fair name.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:57:22 GMT
There is meant to be a space between the words "smoke" and "less" and they are the wrong way around.
I agree smoke coming out of boat chimneys is characterful but unfortunately it seems to be moving towards being a problem thing.
I believe I may be responsible for the issue what with having a boat in central London with a fire burning everything under the sun including dessicated rodents, old electronic devices out of skips and bicycle tyres.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 11, 2020 20:02:24 GMT
How Dare You!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 20:05:17 GMT
Indeed ... not called smokefree fuel.
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