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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 17:30:33 GMT
But is you agree that the cost will be millions innit cause right now all the money spent Yeah, been watching the millions being spent in Hull, building river defenses that make the river narrower (by about 4 metres) that are lower than the existing walls TBH, if just about anyone else had said that I wouldn't believe it. Do you have a pic by any chance?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 28, 2020 17:40:44 GMT
without surface gradient a river is a pond. OK, . . now that we've established that you don't know anything at all about the normal patterns of river silting or shoaling, and exactly how it needs to be dealt with both for the benefit of navigation, and in order to speed up the passage of floodwater from the upper reaches to either it's estuary or the confluence with another river, and that you don't know anything about how silting and shoaling was dealt with, successfully, when the routine task of removing or preventing it used to be left to people who actually knew what they were doing, . . . are you now going to enlighten everyone as to why you're still wittering on about gradients ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 17:50:50 GMT
And its Dunkley by a (parson's) nose...
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Post by JohnV on Feb 28, 2020 18:44:46 GMT
Yeah, been watching the millions being spent in Hull, building river defenses that make the river narrower (by about 4 metres) that are lower than the existing walls TBH, if just about anyone else had said that I wouldn't believe it. Do you have a pic by any chance? I don't think I have ...... I will have a dig through my photos and check as it might be in the background of other shots ....... The most glaring example was at the scrap yard just above the Scott Street bridge, where you could see the difference clearly (about 18") Some of them have had a bit extra added as about 3 months ago this was raised at a river users consultation meeting but I'm pretty sure not all have yet.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 28, 2020 19:05:16 GMT
Further to my last post, there were quite a few glaring examples of bad design in the installations some of which have been corrected (but not all)
the concrete capping above the steel piling sticks out with a square edge beyond the steel piles (remember this is a tidal river) anything moored alongside is likely to catch the edge and depending on the size of vessel, is likely to either damage the boat or the concrete. In one area the face of the concrete has already been spiled off by a large barge having its gunwhale trapped there by a rising tide. If you touch the side at lower states of the tide when the top of the wall/quay is above your deck height then your rail is going to catch the concrete before your hull brushes the piling ..... (my rails already show scrapes from this).
Another major cockup has been the safety ladders these have been fixed to the outer face of the piles and not in the recesses, as a result they are the first things that are hit by any boat coming alongside. In the recesses they would have been protected ..... they couldn't move them as the recess for them in the concrete capping is a major casting, the "fix" was to fit timbers to the faces of the piles that stuck out further ...... the next modification to that was to chamfer the tops of the piles so that boats couldn't ge hung up on them on a falling tide.
There is a good body of knowledgeable people on the river but very little ue has been made of it by those specifying the works (there is still a limited amount of commercial traffic operating here)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 19:34:24 GMT
It's annoying when this sort of thing happens. On the Thames some of the lock lay-bys have been thoughtfully provided with proper riser posts so you can moor even in flood conditions. This would have been a perfect opportunity to increase the visibility of the lock approach in poor light conditions by painting the posts white. But they are painted black... I did quite a lot of midnight yotting on the Thames when I had the Colvic. Had those posts been white it would have been much safer. Marlow is a classic example. All the Weir protection posts and lock layby posts are black. Who is it who decides the colour? It's basic to paint these things white.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 19:49:11 GMT
It's annoying when this sort of thing happens. On the Thames some of the lock lay-bys have been thoughtfully provided with proper riser posts so you can moor even in flood conditions. This would have been a perfect opportunity to increase the visibility of the lock approach in poor light conditions by painting the posts white. But they are painted black... I did quite a lot of midnight yotting on the Thames when I had the Colvic. Had those posts been white it would have been much safer. Marlow is a classic example. All the Weir protection posts and lock layby posts are black. Who is it who decides the colour? It's basic to paint these things white. Maybe its their way of telling you that navigating at night is to be discouraged...
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Post by bodger on Feb 28, 2020 19:51:51 GMT
last time I was there a hire boat was struggling to tie up to the piles - the stern swung round towards the weir and an overweight middle aged man fell in - could have turned nasty.
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Post by bodger on Feb 28, 2020 19:54:35 GMT
And its Dunkley by a (parson's) nose... I don't like parsons - or vicars, mullahs, priests, bishops, monks or anything else that is tagged as 'holy'.
I just hope Mr Expert enjoys his roast chicken this weekend.
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Post by bodger on Feb 28, 2020 19:57:37 GMT
without surface gradient a river is a pond. OK, . . now that we've established that you don't know anything at all about the normal patterns of river silting or shoaling, and exactly how it needs to be dealt with both for the benefit of navigation, and in order to speed up the passage of floodwater from the upper reaches to either it's estuary or the confluence with another river, and that you don't know anything about how silting and shoaling was dealt with, successfully, when the routine task of removing or preventing it used to be left to people who actually knew what they were doing, . . . are you now going to enlighten everyone as to why you're still wittering on about gradients ? perhaps 'cos I'm a 'ginger beer' wot 'ad to study Hydraulics to an advanced level at uni.
..... course I ain't reely got a clew 'cos I didn't spend my life navigating a barge up and down the waterways, so wot do I know?
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 28, 2020 20:14:07 GMT
But is you agree that the cost will be millions innit cause right now all the money spent Is this an anagram?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 28, 2020 20:14:35 GMT
OK, . . now that we've established that you don't know anything at all about the normal patterns of river silting or shoaling, and exactly how it needs to be dealt with both for the benefit of navigation, and in order to speed up the passage of floodwater from the upper reaches to either it's estuary or the confluence with another river, and that you don't know anything about how silting and shoaling was dealt with, successfully, when the routine task of removing or preventing it used to be left to people who actually knew what they were doing, . . . are you now going to enlighten everyone as to why you're still wittering on about gradients ? perhaps 'cos I'm a 'ginger beer' wot 'ad to study Hydraulics to an advanced level at uni.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Your're just who we need, then ! With qualifications like that, you'll be able to explain to those of us who have to muddle by on only common sense and practical experience, why rainwater gutterings on buildings get rid of run-off from the roof so much better, and are less likely to overflow, if they're kept clear of the leaves, moss, and the rest of the muck that gathers in them if they aren't cleaned out periodically.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 22:30:23 GMT
Maybe its their way of telling you that navigating at night is to be discouraged... Yes maybe that's a fair point but painting this sort of thing white is also useful in daytime when visibility is reduced. It's the obvious colour for this sort of thing. Painting it black is just wrong. I did witness a volunteer person dutifully painting the white ends of canal lock balance beams black once which was quite upsetting. I'm sure they thought they were doing the right thing making the whole thing the same colour while blissfully unaware of the reason behind the white paint.
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Post by Isambard Kingdom Brunel on Feb 29, 2020 5:51:29 GMT
Painted black? Blame the Rolling Stones.
Talking of Cock-ups, its gone really quiet in Whaley Bridge, it must still be there?
Breaking news, Swizzel Matloes, Newtown, New Mills, of Love Heart fame are moving/expanding to Middlewich.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 7:12:22 GMT
Anyway the campaign for dredging is proceeding marvellously. So far, many MPs have been enlightened as to the sad state of the country.
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