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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 25, 2020 20:26:37 GMT
You asked how info by telephone helps and I gave an example of that it can and often does. No I didn't. Good luck with being 'talked through' the rewiring of those terminals by phone. Rog It just needs the wiring simplified really, with anything which could logically be removed, being removed.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 25, 2020 20:49:14 GMT
In these pics you can see the diesel pipe that needs to be replaced, it's that Bakerloo Line-colour pipe that crosses the exhaust pipe. It seems to be for excess fuel sent to the injector that gets sent back to the fuel filter. And you can see the bundle of black wires that goes to the control panel, they seem to orginate from that black Lucas box. The BSS man said they should NOT be cable-tied to the fuel pipe that goes to the lift pump. He said the bundle of wires should be in a sheath to prevent chafing. Yes, I have found 'cable protector' now... but am I supposed to just leave them swinging around...? I am beginning to think diesel engines were responsible for the downfall of freight along the canals. At least with horses when they developed a fault or snuffed it you could make a pie out of them. The fuel pipe that needs renewing is injector leak-off. Run the new one above the steel (high pressure) injector pipe, secured in place with a couple of cable-ties, instead of letting it lay across the exhaust. To fit and run the new one clear of the exhaust you'll probably need it to be about an inch longer than the existing one [determine the exact extra length by disconnecting the filter end of the old one and running it as described], and to slack off and swing the banjo connection to the injector body upwards by a few degrees.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:54:19 GMT
Absolutely Mr Stabby . But what's the chances a self confessed electrical numpty will have the necessary tools ... the necessary parts ... know what he needs to buy to do the job ... from where to buy what's needed ... know how to do what he's told ... and understand any technical instructions over a phone ? That's why I suggested he get someone to do the job, who can show him how to do it as it's being done. According to Hollywood you can even talk someone through landing a plane over the airwaves, but it seems fraught with danger and unnecessary risks to me Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:00:16 GMT
That was exactly the same position mouse was in with his gas installation - you reckoned the only course of action was to hang the previous BSS inspectors high. Yes, indeedy! Why didn't our last BSS chappie spot these 3 things?! £160 that was. Although he had a 40-minute drive. So that being said - are you going to shout from the roof tops and name and shame as you suggested I did? Now is your perfect chance to practice what you preached.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 25, 2020 21:05:28 GMT
Absolutely. But what's the chances a self confessed electrical numpty will have the necessary tools ... the necessary parts ... know what he needs to buy to do the job ... from where to buy what's needed ... know how to do what he's told ... and understand any technical instructions over a phone ? That's why I suggested he get someone to do the job, who can show him how to do it as it's being done. According to Hollywood you can even talk someone through landing a plane over the airwaves, but it seems fraught with danger and unnecessary risks to me Rog Rog He doesn't need to buy any parts for the battery cable job, . . he's taking unnecessary cable and terminals away, not adding or re-making anything. As for tools, . . a ring (preferably) or open-ended spanner for the terminal nuts is all that's needed, . . 1/2'' AF or 13mm.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:05:49 GMT
Yes naughtyfox ... tidying up your battery terminal wiring is EXACTLY like driving a bus. No problem. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:11:57 GMT
So that being said - are you going to shout from the roof tops and name and shame as you suggested I did? Now is your perfect chance to practice what you preached. You want the name of our last BSS inspector? No, I’m suggesting you should practice what you preached you made a big big deal about me not naming and shaming the inspectors that had failed to spot the potentially dangerous gas installation on mouse boat. You are in exactly the same position, with the added excitement of the real danger of a fuel line failing over a hot exhaust. I would have thought you would jump at the chance to let other boaters know who the person was that you handed your hard earned over to - especially when you consider the fuss you made just shy of a year ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:22:16 GMT
you can even talk someone through landing a plane over the airwaves, but it seems fraught with danger and unnecessary risks to me I'm sure it would be ok if someone had the private number for Telemachus
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:30:06 GMT
Ventilation is not mandatory but a good BS inspector will still go through it and impress upon the boat owner the importance of having adequate air around for breathing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:43:49 GMT
- especially when you consider the fuss you made just shy of a year ago. That's a long time ago and I don't remember what I said... but I have a feeling what I said was probably reasonably valid. I would tell you the name of our man but you are in a bad mood with me so I am not going to do so until you calm down dear. Anyways... would it not be an idea for ALL BSS men to have a printed list of what they should check for, so that it is not inconsistent? I do think 'measuring ventilation' should be off the list. How does the daft old bat who painted blacking all over her mushrooms get a BSS 'Pass', eh? I’m not in a bad mood with you, probably a little disappointed you don’t have the courage of your convictions. I’ll give you a tip though - publicly naming the previous BSS man is at best unwise; at worst it could land you in a big load of hassle you most likely don’t want. Which is the exact reason I didn’t shoot my gob off. They have a checklist - it’s called the BSS manual! You have just discovered for yourself why the BSS is largely a waste of time. The fact non compliant Required safety critical items can incorrectly be passed but a fail can be issued on things that are advisory - ventilation, lack of an RCD on AC systems etc tell you all you need to know. As I said last year, if you find a good inspector who passes or fails a boat within the scope of the BSS - hang on to him/her, there are not many about that actually know what they are talking about.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 26, 2020 0:08:43 GMT
That's a long time ago and I don't remember what I said... but I have a feeling what I said was probably reasonably valid. I would tell you the name of our man but you are in a bad mood with me so I am not going to do so until you calm down dear. Anyways... would it not be an idea for ALL BSS men to have a printed list of what they should check for, so that it is not inconsistent? I do think 'measuring ventilation' should be off the list. How does the daft old bat who painted blacking all over her mushrooms get a BSS 'Pass', eh? . . . . . . . . . . . . . .The They have a checklist - it’s called the BSS manual! You have just discovered for yourself why the BSS is largely a waste of time. The fact non compliant Required safety critical items can incorrectly be passed but a fail can be issued on things that are advisory - ventilation, lack of an RCD on AC systems etc tell you all you need to know. As I said last year, if you find a good inspector who passes or fails a boat within the scope of the BSS - hang on to him/her, there are not many about that actually know what they are talking about. The BSS Examination is a joke, . . lip service to a desire on the part of navigation authorities to cover their corporate arses in the event of someone blowing up their boat and injuring or killing a bystander member of the general public. The Examiners, with the odd rare exception, are simply not up to the job. Ticking off a checklist compiled by few office chair polishers with qualifications in Bollocksology is no substitute for a machinery and outfit survey carried out by someone with the requisite background knowledge and practical experience of the subject type of vessel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 8:21:14 GMT
The BSS Examination is a joke, . . The Examiners, with the odd rare exception, are simply not up to the job. When I did my Marine Engineering BTEC at Berkshire College of Agriculture in 1996/1997 it was just after the BS tickets became mandatory for licensing with the 1995 act. The college was also running, for £1300 if I remember right, a two week course to become a BS scheme examiner. People were doing the course with no background in boats at all. They could just as well have been bricklayers. You pay your money and pass the course. I was a bit thick not to do it myself I suppose but I always hated the BS scheme with a vengeance and disagree with it anyway. That was in the early stages. I believe now you need to demonstrate experience in the field but initially they just wanted examiners to get the thing dealt with. Result? Loads of clueless and incompetent examiners forcing unnecessary worry, expense and modifications to people's perfectly good boats.
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 26, 2020 9:02:24 GMT
Being aware that BSS is largely rubbish to replace common sense I like the inspector I had last time. He had a brief 1 minute look around the boat, checked the date on the fire extinguishers and the flexible gas and fuel lines, chatted about boaty stuff, decided I was on top of things and issued the certificate. 10 minutes, mostly chatting. He then did another boat in 2 minutes because they'd removed all the stuff that would fail. I'd rather know the inspector didn't inspect anything much than assume he'd checked everything and take his word for it that I was safe. When all's said and done transferring responsibility from yourself to a tick box spreadsheet is insane, at best I suppose it should remind some of their need to take responsibility for their possessions.
There is definitely a parallel with MOT here, a really shit car can pass an MOT if the gaping rusted holes are in the right places, a really safe one can fail because of a light on the dash. It's cobblers really but without it a lot of people would drive there cars until they fell apart around them.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 26, 2020 9:18:41 GMT
The BSS Examination is a joke, . . The Examiners, with the odd rare exception, are simply not up to the job. That was in the early stages. I believe now you need to demonstrate experience in the field but initially they just wanted examiners to get the thing dealt with. Result? Loads of clueless and incompetent examiners forcing unnecessary worry, expense and modifications to people's perfectly good boats. It was a bit like that with the Portable appliance testing (PAT) when it started ..... in fact in some ways even worse. It was a one day course which basically just taught you how to switch on a semi automatic tester and how to do the recording of the tests. Of the people doing the test with me few had a background of electrics/electronics. It seemed to be the standard for firms to just pick someone from their maintenance department (if they had one) or someone who wasn't doing much, and send them along to get a ticket. Most of them didn't have a clue how to even spot the difference between double insulated and earthed equipment ...... it was total comedy gold. I used to reckon (and base my pricing) that the maximum number of tests you could do properly and thoroughly was around 8 to 10 an hour (if that included disconnecting and replacing items). about double that if the equipment was disconnected and assembled in a work area. I made decent money at it and recouped my (not inconsiderable) outlay on tester, computer and programs within a very short time. It is a mind numbingly boring job but it got my company off the ground and got me in with customers. Within a couple of years the cowboys were in on the act and there was no way was I going to even attempt to compete with them. I came across one firm who tested a firm (previous customer of mine) in one day (a Sunday) with one guy (My archive list was over 800 items)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 20:08:34 GMT
I assume the pipe has ISO7840 printed on it.
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