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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 9:31:13 GMT
My eldest brother (now deceased) wished to be an engine driver, but he failed on poor eyesight, so he went for what, in his mind, was second best and became a signalman ... he was a total 'train nut' and on his days off used to just travel different lines. He started off at fifteen as a porter, and just loved the railway environment.
One night shift he had a suicide outside his signal box ... someone hit by a train is not a pleasant sight ... or series of sights to be factual.
It had a very marked affect on my brother, who left the railways altogether after about twenty years of service.
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ETA Sorry, your train driver anecdote triggered the thought.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 4, 2020 9:32:26 GMT
I was waiting to cross a busy but fairly slow moving urban road of two lane traffic. There was a woman on phone beside me. She was obviously using my movement to indicate to her when it was safe to cross, during the red man phase. I initiated a leg movement as if to cross the road then decided against it. Said woman immediately started to cross the road and found herself in a dangerous situation between two lanes of moving traffic. That's a trick I'm gonna have to try! |
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 4, 2020 9:33:15 GMT
Four pages of arguments ... and it appears.. ...people are more interested in road accidents than boating? |
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 4, 2020 9:35:50 GMT
I had a milk round that covered a lot of miles and the dairy got me a "Town & Country" milk float |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 10:05:39 GMT
Would be interested to know why he looks like a chav foxy, is the smoke hanging out his mouth, the hair? |
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Post by ianali on Mar 4, 2020 10:14:02 GMT
Would be interested to know why he looks like a chav foxy, is the smoke hanging out his mouth, the hair? It’s because he isn’t wearing Shorts and showing a fat white belly. If Foxy wants chavs then he needs to visit Nuneaton centre.. |
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 4, 2020 10:50:14 GMT
Mindless pedestrians are a big hazard and for me always precluded fast cycling anywhere near them for my own safety...and that was before mobile phones.
I went 30mph down a hill on a bicycle a few times, it's way to fast for safety.
On balance 50/50 blame seems logical.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 4, 2020 11:17:31 GMT
For any pedestrian (and obviously I am frequently a pedestrian myself) the requirement is to observe oncoming traffic and assess its speed and trajectory before deciding if it is safe to cross the road. It is unwise to say the least to assume that an oncoming vehicle must be travelling more slowly than it appears simply because similar vehicles do not travel at a similar speed. If I was invited to speculate, I would say that the pedestrian was probably checking her Facebook on her mobile phone rather than looking where she was going. snip<... I hate driving in London. It is so stressful. I'm glad I don't have to do it much anymore. agree totally ..... even 20 years ago it was hard ..... but today ?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 11:34:39 GMT
Would be interested to know why he looks like a chav foxy, is the smoke hanging out his mouth, the hair? It’s because he isn’t wearing Shorts and showing a fat white belly. If Foxy wants chavs then he needs to visit Nuneaton centre.. indeed, via Hill top or Camp hill.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 11:56:52 GMT
snip<... I hate driving in London. It is so stressful. I'm glad I don't have to do it much anymore. agree totally ..... even 20 years ago it was hard ..... but today ? An interesting part of the growing antipathy for cars in general is that pedestrians seem to have formed a consensus that the road is more their space than powered vehicles. It isn't jaywalking when they look right at you then walk in front, its terrorism. Also, I sometimes wonder at the mentality of people who will walk behind a reversing vehicle. I've got so many experiences of insane arseholes on cycles but I'd be here all day. All you have to do to see for yourself is pick a spot (any spot) on the Old Kent Road. Or Hyde Park Corner, that's a good one. When riding mopeds its to easy to get into the 'momentum is everything brake for nothing' mentality (I had a Puch moped for a short time) and I expect the very lucky guy who was acquitted was a bit like that. Whats the term for someone who hates all cyclists? Cycleisct? Cychotic?  |
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 4, 2020 12:03:35 GMT
agree totally ..... even 20 years ago it was hard ..... but today ? Cychotic? Like it! Although perhaps a better descriptor for a mad reckless cyclist, than someone who hates them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 12:29:10 GMT
The problem with having a judge decide on such matters is that he or she has to decide, one way or the other. It seems that the bike user was going too fast, the victim didn't look properly. So, the blame should be shared. This is the problem with our highly regulated and blame based road system. In the vast majority of road accidents both parties contribute. For example: a car shoots a red light and hits another going through on green. 100% the fault of the light jumper? Almost certainly not. If the driver going through on green had looked out for cars going through on red he or she would likely have been able to avoid the accident. But he or she didn't, 'because she was in the right, she had priority' I speak as a motorcyclist who's still alive, but would almost certainly now be dead, had he spent his life slavishly following road regulations. It's about time other road users adopted a similar outlook, we'd all be much safer then. Its more that as a biker you are exposed to mortal danger just about every time you go out which makes you more aware of whats around you. And its why I stopped riding in London; every trip seemed to involve two or three near-misses, no fun at all. But to suggest that the driver who goes through every green light without checking for kamikazes is at fault in the event of an accident is ludicrous. |
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Post by peterboat on Mar 4, 2020 13:15:01 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51707616So the bloke who killed a pedestrian on his fast ebike has been cleared in court. What a lucky man. I don't understand this. They say it wasn't possible to determine whether the pedestrian looked both ways when crossing. This is ridiculous. Everyone looks both ways it's basic to do this you would have to be brainless not to but you see a bicycle coming and assume it's a bicycle, two wheeled devices which don't move as fast as cars. 30mph ebikes are a bit improbable in most situations. This seems to ask more questions than it answers. I suppose if it helps to bring in insurance requirements for cyclists and legalisation of high powered ebikes it could end up being good but it definitely seems a bit wrong to me. Why question the ability of the pedestrian to cross a road safely rather than questioning the person riding an electric bike which is considerably faster than any legal bicycle is allowed to go? Saving the planet?? I have followed a normal push bike at 45mph so whats the difference? |
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Post by kris on Mar 4, 2020 13:32:34 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51707616So the bloke who killed a pedestrian on his fast ebike has been cleared in court. What a lucky man. I don't understand this. They say it wasn't possible to determine whether the pedestrian looked both ways when crossing. This is ridiculous. Everyone looks both ways it's basic to do this you would have to be brainless not to but you see a bicycle coming and assume it's a bicycle, two wheeled devices which don't move as fast as cars. 30mph ebikes are a bit improbable in most situations. This seems to ask more questions than it answers. I suppose if it helps to bring in insurance requirements for cyclists and legalisation of high powered ebikes it could end up being good but it definitely seems a bit wrong to me. Why question the ability of the pedestrian to cross a road safely rather than questioning the person riding an electric bike which is considerably faster than any legal bicycle is allowed to go? Saving the planet?? I have followed a normal push bike at 45mph so whats the difference? Mass |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 4, 2020 13:43:40 GMT
The problem with having a judge decide on such matters is that he or she has to decide, one way or the other. It seems that the bike user was going too fast, the victim didn't look properly. So, the blame should be shared. This is the problem with our highly regulated and blame based road system. In the vast majority of road accidents both parties contribute. For example: a car shoots a red light and hits another going through on green. 100% the fault of the light jumper? Almost certainly not. If the driver going through on green had looked out for cars going through on red he or she would likely have been able to avoid the accident. But he or she didn't, 'because she was in the right, she had priority' I speak as a motorcyclist who's still alive, but would almost certainly now be dead, had he spent his life slavishly following road regulations. It's about time other road users adopted a similar outlook, we'd all be much safer then. Its more that as a biker you are exposed to mortal danger just about every time you go out which makes you more aware of whats around you. And its why I stopped riding in London; every trip seemed to involve two or three near-misses, no fun at all. But to suggest that the driver who goes through every green light without checking for kamikazes is at fault in the event of an accident is ludicrous. It might seem ludicrous but doing exactly this around 3 years ago more than likely saved my life. So to me, it's not ludicrous, not at all. |
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"E-bike rider, 32, weeps in the dock as he is cleared of killing 56-year-old female pedestrian"
