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Post by lampiniafloat on Mar 24, 2020 9:28:54 GMT
Coronavirus and boating update Hello Jane, Following the most recent announcement from the Prime Minister regarding the UK’s response to the coronavirus crisis, we are asking leisure boaters to stop all non-essential travel. As a result, and to help those who live-aboard (along with those who would need to travel to their boat in order to move it) we are suspending the requirement to move every 14 days. The suspension will be kept under review in line with revised government guidance, applying initially until 14 April. We ask everyone to be considerate and make sure at least a minimal amount of essential movement is maintained to keep vital boater facilities and services accessible to those that need them. We will continue to maintain boater facilities and pump out cards are available from our online shop. (We will be urgently reviewing the implications for face-to-face sale of pump out cards and facilities keys from our public offices). Please click here for the latest updates to our Frequently Asked Questions and up to date advice on where to get support. Colleagues whose roles are critical to the safe management of the waterways, for example those managing water levels, those carrying out statutory inspections of canal structures, ensuring essential facilities for boaters are available etc will continue their day to day work. We will be doing whatever we can to support our customers and protect the waterways so we can return to enjoying them fully when the crisis is over. We will keep the situation under active review and update you in line with changing circumstances and guidance. If you subscribe to Boaters' Update you already received this email yesterday evening but technical difficulties prevented us from adding all boat licence holders that we have a valid email address for. These have now been added so we apologise if you're receiving this email for the second time.
Thank you for your patience and forbearance and please stay safe during these unprecedented times. Richard Parry Chief Executive Canal & River Trust
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 24, 2020 9:48:40 GMT
Is it cynical to think they realise they won't be able to harass people and stay fashionable and that this won't cost them any £s anyway? PR. Meanwhile they expect me to break isolation and have a BSS inspector on board to retain that income stream.
Expect more useless tosh that costs them nothing mixed with ridiculous demands where they stand to loose a fiver.
It won't just be CRT, it's the way of capitalism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 15:13:01 GMT
It's good news and thank you lampiniafloat ... hope you and yours are keeping safe Adds a bit of certainty to a confused and uncertain world in my view. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 16:07:22 GMT
(ii)the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances. -- Looks to me like the last few words took care of this situation 25 years ago
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 24, 2020 16:12:52 GMT
"longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances."
I think the circumstances of today more then bang the 14-day rule of the head. CRT themselves have said "Don't move!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 21:19:54 GMT
Is it cynical to think they realise they won't be able to harass people and stay fashionable and that this won't cost them any £s anyway? PR. Meanwhile they expect me to break isolation and have a BSS inspector on board to retain that income stream. Expect more useless tosh that costs them nothing mixed with ridiculous demands where they stand to loose a fiver. It won't just be CRT, it's the way of capitalism. They are looking at suspension of boat safety. In fact I think it has already stopped after last night's statement. Check with damien.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 21:27:39 GMT
Will your insurance company still insure you without a valid bss though?
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 24, 2020 21:29:44 GMT
Is it cynical to think they realise they won't be able to harass people and stay fashionable and that this won't cost them any £s anyway? PR. Meanwhile they expect me to break isolation and have a BSS inspector on board to retain that income stream. Expect more useless tosh that costs them nothing mixed with ridiculous demands where they stand to loose a fiver. It won't just be CRT, it's the way of capitalism. They are looking at suspension of boat safety. In fact I think it has already stopped after last night's statement. Check with damien. Great, I exchanged a few emails with my local guy this morning who was friendly and tried t be helpful, but advised waiting to see what happened for a few weeks, discuss with insurer etc. I don't think he knew about the Boat safety suspension. I will check it out. I'm aware I might look on the surface as if I wish to wriggle out of it and seizing an opportunity, but I really don't for any other reason than the COV thing. Boat is tip top safety wise, I'm a worrier if I don't personally know it's all good I can't sleep until I do! So frustrating. !st world problems...
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 24, 2020 21:31:04 GMT
Will your insurance company still insure you without a valid bss though? That is the question... Already had email from insurance brokers over a week ago warning they were all buggering off home and the service could get a bit patchy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 21:36:48 GMT
They are looking at suspension of boat safety. In fact I think it has already stopped after last night's statement. Check with damien. Great, I exchanged a few emails with my local guy this morning who was friendly and tried t be helpful, but advised waiting to see what happened for a few weeks, discuss with insurer etc. I don't think he knew about the Boat safety suspension. I will check it out. I'm aware I might look on the surface as if I wish to wriggle out of it and seizing an opportunity, but I really don't for any other reason than the COV thing. Boat is tip top safety wise, I'm a worrier if I don't personally know it's all good I can't sleep until I do! So frustrating. !st world problems... Don't worry, you're not the only one concerned about it. Quite a few of us have been pushing CRT to clarify the situation. The pressure being applied will get a response. Mines not due till next year, but I recognise the issue and support a suspension.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 0:33:52 GMT
Will your insurance company still insure you without a valid bss though? I was wondering about the insurance and the word "pandemic". I'm sure I have read it somewhere just not sure where. Probably not the boat insurance to be fair maybe it was the car one.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 25, 2020 0:54:31 GMT
My best guess is that if a BSC isn't required under the regulations of the CRT licence, then it wouldn't be required by an insurer either. It's not like insurers drive the ever increasing levels of regulation in this country. Rather, they react to them. I suppose an insurer could always claim that their actuaries used a BSC as part of the calculation of premiums, and that unless an examiner goes and checks the boat before the expiry date the insurance is invalid. I wouldn't think that any business that expected its customers to flout governmental advice regarding this disease would wish for such publicity though, or would exist for very long afterwards.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 25, 2020 4:50:47 GMT
Will your insurance company still insure you without a valid bss though? I can't recall our boat insurance asking for a BSS pass - don't remember that being asked, not me sending them the details. As far as I recall we have only sent the BSS certificate number to CRT. It's their scheme. We have done this only once since the boat has been in our possession (4 yars ago, had the boat 6 years). The insurance company doesn't care if you are on CRT waters where a BSS is required, or elsewhere - or.... does the EA have their own BSS scheme? afterthought: BSS inspectors should provide a 'Coronavirus-free' certificate for themselves !!! (otherwise how can they be insured to examine your boat?!)
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Post by JohnV on Mar 25, 2020 5:45:33 GMT
Both of my boats are insured one has never had a BSS the other does presently
Requirement for a BSS depends what navigation authority you come under (if any) It's not a requirement for insurance, whereas a boat condition survey might be required
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 25, 2020 5:57:53 GMT
Yet hull surveyors are not at all interested in the gas pipes! The whole thing doesn't add up. What would be interesting to see is a list of boat 'accidents' and whether the insurance company paid out and on what basis, and the same for if they didn't pay out.
I think in my 'ideal world' there could be an obligation for all boats to have a proper survey once every 5 years, no exceptions, both 'hull' and 'inside safety', a hull survey and BSS combined. AT REASONABLE COST. Or perhaps every 3 years. A bit like going to an MoT station for cars - in, no-nonsense survey/inspection - and out. Boatyards and boat mechanics/electricians/welders, etc. are very poorly organised in England from what I have seen, all haphazard. All too often hard to find someone to do any work.
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