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Post by metanoia on Mar 28, 2020 7:53:13 GMT
Don't move - yet an award winning marina charged my friend £5 for drinking water this week. I think I would have used the fiver to stifle my cough before I offered to hand it over. I believe he left it all in change on top of a note advising he couldn't be sure the coins weren't contaminated!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 7:54:19 GMT
I believe the Better By Water idea is for the canals and towpaths to move towards the theme park model as a general trend. More public awareness could hopefully allow more public funding.
However with this sudden economic downturn one does wonder how the waterways will come out the other end.
Will they be revived or forgotten?
It seems to me the more people can be actively encouraged to be around waterways the better the chances. Even if those people don't actually go on the wet bit yet.
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Post by phil70 on Mar 28, 2020 7:59:41 GMT
I live aboard, I don't see how people walking or cycling past my boat pose any risk to me whatsoever. People are allowed to exercise, the towpath is as good a place as any. I won't be putting any signs up, I'll carry on chatting to people walking their dogs etc. While maintaining social distance of course. Phil
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 28, 2020 8:02:29 GMT
It's all just complete and total bollocks. It's just a strain of Winter flu which has killed no more than previous Winter flu outbreaks. All-cause mortality rates in Europe and Italy are at or below average levels for this time of year. swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/It is all just a mental hysteria. In the 3 month period before Corona virus the winter flu had infected 2 million Italians causing 240 deaths ...... so 80 deaths a month
Italy today ? 1,000 deaths a day Yeah ..... just mental hysteria ...... just put your head back under the blanket All I can do is to suggest that you read the paper I linked to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 8:04:19 GMT
People are going out walking ... the weather's good and there's NOTHING much else to do ... and if you live near the canal where better to go, away from traffic concerns.
We have to walk over a mile to shop ... through several housing estates ... within feet of peoples houses in places ... what's the difference ?
We are finding that people are MUCH more ready to chat and exchange pleasantries ... a very much friendlier atmosphere, but at a distance.
And the guidance is 6 feet of seperation ... that doesn't mean that with only 2 feet 6 inches you're going to be infected.
We need to protect the vulnerable ... but well over 80% of those who catch it have only mild symptons, and the WHO mortality rate is still only 6% with a rider that this figure may well be distorted upwards by limited testing being done (I.e. only the critically ill being tested).
People are worried and rightly so ... but I think we also need to keep our feet on the ground
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 28, 2020 8:10:58 GMT
In the 3 month period before Corona virus the winter flu had infected 2 million Italians causing 240 deaths ...... so 80 deaths a month
Italy today ? 1,000 deaths a day Yeah ..... just mental hysteria ...... just put your head back under the blanket All I can do is to suggest that you read the paper I linked to. That "paper" while interesting enough that I beat you by a day with a link claims to be written by "A Swiss doctor". Yeah right! The whole site is somebody's baby... Somebody who has an enormous hump with the Swiss government. It sets out to show that using quotes and statistics it's easy to paint a completely different picture to the official line. I like it. I approve. But I take it with the same pinch of salt that applies to the official line. Swiss doctor? My arse! If the heading on the title was "this article was written by a person previously shat on by the Swiss Gov", nobody would take it seriously. Doesn't mean the content is incorrect of course.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 28, 2020 8:19:57 GMT
In the 3 month period before Corona virus the winter flu had infected 2 million Italians causing 240 deaths ...... so 80 deaths a month
Italy today ? 1,000 deaths a day Yeah ..... just mental hysteria ...... just put your head back under the blanket All I can do is to suggest that you read the paper I linked to. I did ...... however even a bad year, hospitals do not become overwhelmed by the number of patients ...... stretched yes ...... overwhelmed no This disease requires major medical assistance for people who have a severe case to survive ..... yes the death rate so far is comprised mostly of those who might have died anyway but without the medical assistance being provided to chronic cases it would be much, much higher and many of those would not be expected to die under normal circumstances. If the medical facilities become overwhelmed by the numbers requiring assistance then the death rate is going to soar. When ever there is anything like this there will always be a wide range of views ....... however it is always the right thing to prepare for the worst. only an idiot assumes everything will be ok
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 28, 2020 9:48:09 GMT
I live aboard where there is no towpath, the concrete quay that I am tied to is about 20 foot wide and is private property (and anyone on there will be told to go forth and multiply) .....there is then a 5 foot high river defence wall with public access beyond that. Dog walkers and people out for fresh air regularly pass and at that distance I am more than happy to chat to them ..... would I be as happy if they were walking right next to the boat ? probably not but as long as they maintained a decent gap I would put up with it. If people were getting too close I would not be happy. I always chat with and/or smile at walkers and their dogs - I certainly wouldn't want one of those notices in my window. My concern is more the narrowness of the towpath and the fact that it resembled a theme park a couple of days ago - more people on a mile or so stretch in one afternoon than I have seen put together in more than ten years along there - including the summer. They are just not able to pass each other safely - and it was a lovely touch by the cyclist who nearly missed one old guy to deposit a large pool of saliva inches from his feet. Just seems all the "rules" are forgotten once people get outside. I’m sorry but I don’t see what the presence or otherwise of a boat has to do with it. Yes you are right people walking on the towpath and encountering opposite direction traffic will often have to pass within 2 metres. But I can’t see why that should directly affect someone on a boat, unless you consider the bit of towpath adjacent to your boat as your own private property (which it isn’t), want to set up your deck chairs there etc. As Ricco says, it is exactly the same as pedestrians passing urban houses/flats that front directly onto the pavement, or passing people sitting in parked cars. If you are worried, just keep your towpath-side windows closed and remain indoors like the rest of us are having to do.
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Post by patty on Mar 28, 2020 9:52:50 GMT
Have we just 1 conspiracy theorist? ..(I don't count Foxy..his cut n paste is just his norm) Having talked to people who are actually there in the front line and highly intelligent individuals I won't support any conspiracy theory...This is real... However I am aware we all have our own coping strategies and for Vince that is probably his....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 9:59:43 GMT
I don't think anyone is suggesting that it isn't real ... or that it will undoubtedly kill people ... and has the potential certainly to swamp NHS critical care capabilities.
For the most part people are just wanting others to curb the levels of panic and doomsaying ... stick to the existing guidance, and protect the most vulnerable ... and merely walking past a moored boat is not a threat to any of this.
Rog
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Post by metanoia on Mar 28, 2020 9:59:51 GMT
I always chat with and/or smile at walkers and their dogs - I certainly wouldn't want one of those notices in my window. My concern is more the narrowness of the towpath and the fact that it resembled a theme park a couple of days ago - more people on a mile or so stretch in one afternoon than I have seen put together in more than ten years along there - including the summer. They are just not able to pass each other safely - and it was a lovely touch by the cyclist who nearly missed one old guy to deposit a large pool of saliva inches from his feet. Just seems all the "rules" are forgotten once people get outside. I’m sorry but I don’t see what the presence or otherwise of a boat has to do with it. Yes you are right people walking on the towpath and encountering opposite direction traffic will often have to pass within 2 metres. But I can’t see why that should directly affect someone on a boat, unless you consider the bit of towpath adjacent to your boat as your own private property (which it isn’t), want to set up your deck chairs there etc. As Ricco says, it is exactly the same as pedestrians passing urban houses/flats that front directly onto the pavement, or passing people sitting in parked cars. If you are worried, just keep your towpath-side windows closed and remain indoors like the rest of us are having to do. I'm not worried about ME - it's those that seem to have forgotten to keep a decent distance from each other. On the contrary, it seems CRT are bothered by the boats and want us to display such notices in our windows - perhaps so boaters can enforce the social distancing message on behalf of CRT - who are normally quick enough to post many other (often superfluous) signs all over bridges and towpaths? eta - the only bit of towpath I ever claim is the size of a small mat I place immediately outside my doors
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 10:01:17 GMT
Where I'm moored there are a couple of boats that have tried to make people think about social distancing. Both have done so because people walking past tend to forget the 'rules' i.e. if the boaters are sitting in the well deck or on the roof people passing have come up really close to stroke their cat or try to interact with their newborn baby. The measures taken are just a few stakes in the ground with some high vis cord connecting them placed about a foot away from the boat (still plenty of room for people to continue using the towpath). It is enough to make people think without being 'in your face'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 10:02:17 GMT
I reckon it's a sly move by CRT to get a little wedge in between members of public and overly entitled towpath dwellers.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 28, 2020 10:03:14 GMT
Have we just 1 conspiracy theorist? ..(I don't count Foxy..his cut n paste is just his norm) Having talked to people who are actually there in the front line and highly intelligent individuals I won't support any conspiracy theory...This is real... However I am aware we all have our own coping strategies and for Vince that is probably his.... Between 300,000 and 600,000 people die from influenza every year. 24,100 people have died from Coronavirus. So although it is real, its danger has been grossly exaggerated and certainly does not justify the erosion of civil liberties and destruction of economies which the hysteria has triggered.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 10:05:07 GMT
Have we just 1 conspiracy theorist? ..(I don't count Foxy..his cut n paste is just his norm) Having talked to people who are actually there in the front line and highly intelligent individuals I won't support any conspiracy theory...This is real... However I am aware we all have our own coping strategies and for Vince that is probably his.... Well my current take on it is that, yes, this is a particularly nasty strain of Coronavirus virus which is as nasty as the influenza virus (which also puts strain on the health services). However the situation is made worse by the panic caused by the media. As time goes on and people feel trapped, the panic effect will worsen. In the early stages it is right for a government to protect the population by firm measures until more information can be gathered (bearing in mind biological weapon threats). I think it's good we are all being cautious BUT time will tell whether this outbreak is being milked for other agendas.
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