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Post by Gone on Apr 18, 2020 17:42:04 GMT
Probably a rhetorical question, but in case it wasn’t - Just hospital deaths excluding care homes etc as they are not normally tested to confirm, though we all know lots are dying. The ONS (Gvt stats office) is starting to produce figures including community deaths but the system is apparently very slow to submit data. Yes, it was a bit rhetorical. As regards care home deaths, as you say we don't know as they aren't normally tested so we cant tell how much Covid-19 had an effect compared with stress causing early heart attacks and lowered immunity etc. In fact we don't really know to what degree Covid-19 has an effect in any death as it's usually a complication adding to a preexisting condition. It is really difficult to draw any conclusions without random testing. I think when we look back on this people will wonder why we didn't carry out some random testing from the start. Iceland for one did and they seem to have controlled things quite well. When it’s all finished we will be able to compare the number of deaths in 2020 compared to a ‘normal’ year and give or take a few either way the extra will be down to Coronavirus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 17:45:10 GMT
Less buses around = less people run over by buses. And that's not even mentioning the coaches.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 18, 2020 17:54:10 GMT
Less buses around = less people run over by buses. And that's not even mentioning the coaches. My bus has now stood for 23 days so that's about 1,650 litres of diesel that has not run through the cylinders and out the exhaust pipe. At this rate the company must be making a fortune!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 20:03:02 GMT
Yes, it was a bit rhetorical. As regards care home deaths, as you say we don't know as they aren't normally tested so we cant tell how much Covid-19 had an effect compared with stress causing early heart attacks and lowered immunity etc. In fact we don't really know to what degree Covid-19 has an effect in any death as it's usually a complication adding to a preexisting condition. It is really difficult to draw any conclusions without random testing. I think when we look back on this people will wonder why we didn't carry out some random testing from the start. Iceland for one did and they seem to have controlled things quite well. When it’s all finished we will be able to compare the number of deaths in 2020 compared to a ‘normal’ year and give or take a few either way the extra will be down to Coronavirus. I agree but some of the 'extra' may be as a result of the lock down rather than the virus. As I said in my earlier posts, the ONS data for the week up to April 3rd shows that there have been almost as many deaths without Covid-19 on the death certs as with. archive.is/2eKCW
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Post by Gone on Apr 18, 2020 22:35:06 GMT
When it’s all finished we will be able to compare the number of deaths in 2020 compared to a ‘normal’ year and give or take a few either way the extra will be down to Coronavirus. I agree but some of the 'extra' may be as a result of the lock down rather than the virus. As I said in my earlier posts, the ONS data for the week up to April 3rd shows that there have been almost as many deaths without Covid-19 on the death certs as with. archive.is/2eKCWONS data shows there were about 550k deaths in 2018, which works out at about 1500 per day ignoring that winter is worse than summer, so sounds about right that Covid/non-Covid deaths are about the same at the moment, hopefully Covid will soon greatly reduce.
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Post by patty on Apr 19, 2020 5:54:36 GMT
They have reported a rise in domestic violence which I don't think comes as a surprise I would imagine though several depressed/suicidal people could also be really struggling particularly if counselling is remote.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 6:38:08 GMT
They have reported a rise in domestic violence which I don't think comes as a surprise I would imagine though several depressed/suicidal people could also be really struggling particularly if counselling is remote. It looks like Boris's original estimate of 20,000 Covid-19 fatalities may be exceeded but running with that figure for a minute, that is only 0.03% of the entire population most of which whom had pre-existing conditions. The other 99.97% of the population (over 66 million of us) are going to be affected dramatically by the lock down and social distancing measures. It's already apparent that people are dying due to the measures but there will be longer reaching risks to everyone's health when people lose their businesses and cant pay the bills. Ok, for many of us it seems a reasonable sacrifice to take to protect the vulnerable, some seem to treat it as a paid holiday even, but one thing is for sure, the longer the lock down and social distancing goes on for, the more it will put the heath of 66 million of us at risk of other health issues. It's a very difficult call for our government but this doesn't appear to be a biological weapon as all travel would have been banned immediately. It looks like 50% of the number of people who are randomly tested positive don't even show any symptoms. I'm guessing in the end it will be the financial markets which will put most of the pressure on government to end the lock down but maybe only after many homes are repossessed and businesses bought up cheap....or am I being too cynical?
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Post by patty on Apr 19, 2020 8:53:44 GMT
They have reported a rise in domestic violence which I don't think comes as a surprise I would imagine though several depressed/suicidal people could also be really struggling particularly if counselling is remote. It looks like Boris's original estimate of 20,000 Covid-19 fatalities may be exceeded but running with that figure for a minute, that is only 0.03% of the entire population most of which whom had pre-existing conditions. The other 99.97% of the population (over 66 million of us) are going to be affected dramatically by the lock down and social distancing measures. It's already apparent that people are dying due to the measures but there will be longer reaching risks to everyone's health when people lose their businesses and cant pay the bills. Ok, for many of us it seems a reasonable sacrifice to take to protect the vulnerable, some seem to treat it as a paid holiday even, but one thing is for sure, the longer the lock down and social distancing goes on for, the more it will put the heath of 66 million of us at risk of other health issues. It's a very difficult call for our government but this doesn't appear to be a biological weapon as all travel would have been banned immediately. It looks like 50% of the number of people who are randomly tested positive don't even show any symptoms. I'm guessing in the end it will be the financial markets which will put most of the pressure on government to end the lock down but maybe only after many homes are repossessed and businesses bought up cheap....or am I being too cynical? I don't think any can predict with certainty . I can live like this indefinitely but I'm alone, own my house and don't have any big expenses...car gone.. Shower curtain now a bit of old plastic sheet as I wait for firms to reopen. However despite being pretty much a loner I am missing chatting to people out walking..everyone scurries past with their head down Its a strange feeling being isolated and treated as if we are all plague carriers. My Mental Health now pretty much OK but Ive got a few friends who are in crises... Will I stay OK? Who knows. I'm part of research with the Twinning Unit into effects of this isolation...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 17:41:12 GMT
Another parasite turns up trying to get tax payer cash. What is it with these ridiculously wealthy individuals? Do they actually have money or is their house built on foundations made of other people's debt? Strange old world really. Just let the business fail it it needs to fail. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52354865
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 20, 2020 17:45:20 GMT
Less buses around = less people run over by buses. Fewer buses and fewer people.
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Post by metanoia on Apr 20, 2020 18:09:05 GMT
Less buses around = less people run over by buses. Fewer buses and fewer people. Fewer buses, fewer people, fewer infections. I spend so much of my life self isolating that (in the good ol' days) if I catch a bus I catch a cold. Now there are many hundreds of people passing so very close to me - spitting, sweating, swearing and generally getting a bit TOO close for comfort. Look forward to getting back to "normal". Keep safe, take care x
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 20, 2020 18:09:15 GMT
Another parasite turns up trying to get tax payer cash. What is it with these ridiculously wealthy individuals? Do they actually have money or is their house built on foundations made of other people's debt? Strange old world really. Just let the business fail it it needs to fail. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52354865Built on debt of course. There is no way you'd risk your own money. Just more debt that can theoretically be paid off if the airline exists to infinity. That doesn't matter as long as it can pay it's debt and other costs and make a profit as it goes along, but it can't stop or like any other business it ceases to exist and the shareholders (ahh the lightbulb shines) loose their money, the lenders loose their interest and capitol, the gov looses tax, loads of people loose their jobs. He thinks he has the gov over a barrel and to some extent he does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 18:43:28 GMT
Another parasite turns up trying to get tax payer cash. What is it with these ridiculously wealthy individuals? Do they actually have money or is their house built on foundations made of other people's debt? Strange old world really. Just let the business fail it it needs to fail. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52354865Built on debt of course. There is no way you'd risk your own money. Just more debt that can theoretically be paid off if the airline exists to infinity. That doesn't matter as long as it can pay it's debt and other costs and make a profit as it goes along, but it can't stop or like any other business it ceases to exist and the shareholders (ahh the lightbulb shines) loose their money, the lenders loose their interest and capitol, the gov looses tax, loads of people loose their jobs. He thinks he has the gov over a barrel and to some extent he does. He is allegedly putting up his Island in the Sun as collateral for the loan.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 20, 2020 20:14:19 GMT
Built on debt of course. There is no way you'd risk your own money. Just more debt that can theoretically be paid off if the airline exists to infinity. That doesn't matter as long as it can pay it's debt and other costs and make a profit as it goes along, but it can't stop or like any other business it ceases to exist and the shareholders (ahh the lightbulb shines) loose their money, the lenders loose their interest and capitol, the gov looses tax, loads of people loose their jobs. He thinks he has the gov over a barrel and to some extent he does. He is allegedly putting up his Island in the Sun as collateral for the loan. It's telling that he can't borrow elsewhere? Or does he think he'll get a better rate from UK GOV.loansfortherich?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 20, 2020 20:16:59 GMT
Fewer buses and fewer people. Now there are many hundreds of people passing so very close to me - spitting, sweating, swearing and generally getting a bit TOO close for comfort. Try hissing at them.
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