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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 13:38:52 GMT
To be fair despite the irritating high speed inflatables and all the wash from other boats I suspect we are lucky to be living in these times.
There was a time, during the great stink, when it was awfully unpleasant.
"Filthy river, filthy river. Foul from London to the Nore. What art thou but one vast gutter, one tremendous common shore".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 13:41:22 GMT
In this video the crew takes appropriate action by following the 'holy fuck jump for it' rule.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 13:41:25 GMT
The story was that they didn't see the narrow boat. I'm not sure if there was an MAIB report on that particular incident but I saw the boat after it was towed into Limehouse by the PLA fire boat and the cruiser stern rail was completely wrecked and tiller bent right over. Lady on the narrow boat got inside before the collision occurred. On one of my trips down the tideway in a fairly low profile boat (40x9ft canal boat about 6ft off the water painted green and black) outward bound with the ebb tide I got into a bit of a situation with one of the large trip boats who seemed to want to push me out into the centre of the channel as they were ferry gliding across to their mooring. It was near Waterloo bridge. Lots of bridges around there increasing the hazard. I held my course and did the single blast of the horn "I am keeping to my starboard" and they succeeded in not hitting me. Some gesticulating from the crew but no incident. They just assumed I would alter course and put myself in more danger. PLA boat came over and had a word with me afterwards and said why did I not have a radio. Boat under 43ft = no radio required. They advised get a radio I asked them if I did the right thing in the situation they said "yes, definitely, you were in the right". At the time the choice was either be hit by the boat or do a rapid green to green passage, which if something had gone wrong would have been very unwise. If in doubt hold course. A glancing blow off the bow of another boat is always going to be a better option than ending up sideways in front of it... ETA we're not talking large ships. The city cruises boats, which are the ones which cause all the problems, are quite large and wide passenger cruisers (short rides no accomodation). If it is large ships then you keep well out of the way most sensible thing to do is use the depth sounder to keep yourself in a bit they can't get to due to their draught. Obviously they didn't see it. But the narrowboat skipper also failed to react - at some point it would have been obvious a collision was imminent and hiding in the cabin doesn't really cover it. Similarly, you were 'in the right' but ending up sunk may not be a great deal of consolation. Every situation is different though, the way you describe it sounds like you kept a cool head. Your final para seems to be covered by the 'constrained by draught' rule, but in any case staying just to the outside of a lateral mark in a small boat with shallow draught is never a wholly stupid course to follow. Yes the narrow boat steerer was partly to blame in a way due to not keeping an all round lookout. However if you are creeping along at 4 knots over water and a much bigger boat is coming up behind at 8 knots over water, for example, and has not seen you then you could get into an awkward position and it may not be that obvious at the time what to do about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 13:42:23 GMT
In this video the crew takes appropriate action by following the 'holy fuck jump for it' rule. That looks a bit nasty. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 13:44:03 GMT
I knew a chap (now deceased) isho in his working life managed coastal freighters between Hull and Holland, and who was also a keen yachtsman of the old school. He was Mr Play-It-Safe - he absolutely refused to leave port in his sailboat if the wind was so much as gusting a five (I know some who regard this as optimal). I heard he once spent nearly four months in Boulogne as a result. He also died safely in bed. Rather like the chap you knew ... I don't care what your opinion of me is ... and I also intend dying safely ... but in my lovers bed  Why worry ... more room on rivers for your narrow boat. Rog |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 13:56:34 GMT
I knew a chap (now deceased) isho in his working life managed coastal freighters between Hull and Holland, and who was also a keen yachtsman of the old school. He was Mr Play-It-Safe - he absolutely refused to leave port in his sailboat if the wind was so much as gusting a five (I know some who regard this as optimal). I heard he once spent nearly four months in Boulogne as a result. He also died safely in bed. Rather like the chap you knew ... I don't care what your opinion of me is ... and I also intend dying safely ... but in my lovers bed Why worry ... more room on rivers for your narrow boat. Rog Actually my anecdote was in support of your prudence. Although Hans the yachtsman did have the piss taken out of him a tad. The opposite is being reckless which often ends badly. However I am determined to launch sometime this year in a strong wind (by which I mean F6 or perhaps a bit more) with just a jib flying to see how it goes...I may also bring the cruising genoa (BF jib) if I can find someone to come with...since it isn't their boat I expect this won't be too hard. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 15:01:25 GMT
Very many do without incident TonyDunkley ... but not with me onboard I am a confident and competent muddy ditch narrow boater. I will, where unavoidable to connect two canals, use a river but always guided by weather conditions, river levels, and good knowledgeable advice. There are those who believe I am a cowardy custard because of this ... but I enjoy my boating and wish to continue doing so Rog Have you not been along the River Soar, dogless? |
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 15:13:26 GMT
In this video the crew takes appropriate action by following the 'holy fuck jump for it' rule. ZZZzzz.... seen it before. Haven't you got something better to do? Like writing your memoirs? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 18:42:59 GMT
Very many do without incident TonyDunkley ... but not with me onboard I am a confident and competent muddy ditch narrow boater. I will, where unavoidable to connect two canals, use a river but always guided by weather conditions, river levels, and good knowledgeable advice. There are those who believe I am a cowardy custard because of this ... but I enjoy my boating and wish to continue doing so Rog Have you not been along the River Soar, dogless? Yes. I prefer canals. Rog |
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Post by JohnV on Apr 3, 2020 18:47:47 GMT
I enjoyed the Soar, I thought it a delightful river
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 18:53:07 GMT
Don't ask me about that river. Its a soar point. Lufbra university and astra zeneca.
Maybe I should have stayed.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 18:55:40 GMT
Have you not been along the River Soar, dogless? Yes. I prefer canals. Rog It's like a canal. One of the highlights of our boating. And sometimes you can go flat out, wonderful deep water. Going down the Thames for 7 days was also great! Not scary at all, but quite different. |
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 3, 2020 19:09:04 GMT
Rather like the chap you knew ... I don't care what your opinion of me is ... and I also intend dying safely ... but in my lovers bed Why worry ... more room on rivers for your narrow boat. Rog Actually my anecdote was in support of your prudence. Although Hans the yachtsman did have the piss taken out of him a tad. The opposite is being reckless which often ends badly. However I am determined to launch sometime this year in a strong wind (by which I mean F6 or perhaps a bit more) with just a jib flying to see how it goes...I may also bring the cruising genoa (BF jib) if I can find someone to come with...since it isn't their boat I expect this won't be too hard. A friend bought a 40ft cat from a 63 year old solicitor in Cork who was famous for only going out as everyone else was coming in. If it wasn't over 6 or 7 he didn't see the point and there was no such thing as too windy. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 19:15:00 GMT
Why is everyone obsessed with 'scary' ... I'm not scared ... it's not a canal so you cannot moor anywhere ... only on specified moorings ... or if lucky the odd farmers field.
There are much better boats designed for rivers and on a river I'd prefer a river boat.
I found the Soar boring, long stretches of wide open windy waters with nowhere to stop ... and apart from linking to the GU Leicester line, largely not worth the effort ... but each to their own.
On a canal I can stop anywhere I choose ... they are generally on a scale similar to my boat (not vast wide open waters) and give access to oodles of towns and villages and public footpaths.
I like canals ... that's why I bought a canal boat.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 19:21:22 GMT
Actually my anecdote was in support of your prudence. Although Hans the yachtsman did have the piss taken out of him a tad. The opposite is being reckless which often ends badly. However I am determined to launch sometime this year in a strong wind (by which I mean F6 or perhaps a bit more) with just a jib flying to see how it goes...I may also bring the cruising genoa (BF jib) if I can find someone to come with...since it isn't their boat I expect this won't be too hard. A friend bought a 40ft cat from a 63 year old solicitor in Cork who was famous for only going out as everyone else was coming in. If it wasn't over 6 or 7 he didn't see the point and there was no such thing as too windy. The thing is I'm just a bit mad. Others are stark raving bonkers. I remember a news story about five years ago which reported that in February a Hobie-Cat had been found adrift in 20ft waves off the North Foreland. No sign of the pilot though. |
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