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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 19:24:46 GMT
It's like a canal. One of the highlights of our boating. And sometimes you can go flat out, wonderful deep water. Going down the Thames for 7 days was also great! Not scary at all, but quite different. Very different rivers. The soar can catch you out quickly after rain but the Thames will give you time to seek a safe haven. But then on the Thames you could get stuck for quite a while whereas then little Soar will drop down and you can carry on boating.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 3, 2020 19:32:10 GMT
A friend bought a 40ft cat from a 63 year old solicitor in Cork who was famous for only going out as everyone else was coming in. If it wasn't over 6 or 7 he didn't see the point and there was no such thing as too windy. The thing is I'm just a bit mad. Others are stark raving bonkers. I remember a news story about five years ago which reported that in February a Hobie-Cat had been found adrift in 20ft waves off the North Foreland. No sign of the pilot though. This chap was the only one in Southern Ireland in the troubles who would prosecute the big wig "gangsters". We spent a day with him and he had 24 hr police escort as in he was followed around, told them where he was going and you'd see them here and there nodding as he passed as well. Maybe he thought it would be better to die on his own terms battling a force 10!
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 19:43:07 GMT
A friend bought a 40ft cat from a 63 year old solicitor in Cork who was famous for only going out as everyone else was coming in. If it wasn't over 6 or 7 he didn't see the point and there was no such thing as too windy. The thing is I'm just a bit mad. You should include that in your memoirs.
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Post by perkwunos on Apr 3, 2020 19:43:43 GMT
In this video the crew takes appropriate action by following the 'holy fuck jump for it' rule. ZZZzzz.... seen it before. Haven't you got something better to do? Like writing your memoirs? Why do you have to be so damn rude? I had not seen that before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 19:47:33 GMT
ZZZzzz.... seen it before. Haven't you got something better to do? Like writing your memoirs? Why do you have to be so damn rude? I had not seen that before. There are far ruder people on here - your judgement is tainted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 19:48:44 GMT
The thing is I'm just a bit mad. Others are stark raving bonkers. I remember a news story about five years ago which reported that in February a Hobie-Cat had been found adrift in 20ft waves off the North Foreland. No sign of the pilot though. This chap was the only one in Southern Ireland in the troubles who would prosecute the big wig "gangsters". We spent a day with him and he had 24 hr police escort as in he was followed around, told them where he was going and you'd see them here and there nodding as he passed as well. Maybe he thought it would be better to die on his own terms battling a force 10! Given the circumstances it sounds like he was de-stressing! Is he still alive?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 3, 2020 19:50:14 GMT
ZZZzzz.... seen it before. Haven't you got something better to do? Like writing your memoirs? Why do you have to be so damn rude? I had not seen that before. Reported to el presidente:
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 3, 2020 20:12:56 GMT
There was a narrow boat impacted from astern by a poorly helmed large passenger cruiser a few years ago. The narrow boat was in the correct part of the channel outward bound but the commercial came up behind them and apparently did not notice the narrow boat. Interesting you mention the Marchioness. The basic problem there was lookouts on both vessels and the previous modification of the Marchioness to have an extra cabin on top, where there was originally a deck, which as well as raising the centre of gravity also impeded the skipper's view astern. In order to see astern the skipper had to leave the helm. Marchioness was one of the reasons AIS was brought in. Plus it was night time. Lots of lights around to confuse people. I don't remember the problem of Marchioness being in the "wrong place" in terms of navigating and keeping out of the way of larger commercials on that evening. I'll have to have another read of the MAIB report. It's been ages since I read it. It's a very good report. There isn't sufficient info, particularly with regard to conditions and visibility, to comment or form an opinion on the canalboat/passenger boat collision, but there is no question or doubt that at the point of the 'Marchioness'/'Bowbelle' collision the 'Marchioness' was unnecessarily occupying the line between the centre arch of Southwark Bridge and the centre span of Cannon Street Railway Bridge - the line between the two bridges which, given that the two bridges are a mere three quarters of a Cable(approx. 150 yds) apart, the 'Bowbelle' would have been unable to deviate from. The 'Marchioness' simply had no business to be on that line at that time, at that place, and during that period of the Flood, when any large outbound vessels would, predictably, be coming up from behind and making best possible speed downriver.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 3, 2020 20:42:04 GMT
...smaller craft occupying parts of the navigation channel where they've no business to be... Oh really? I thought they had every right to be there with, as you state, due consideration given to issues such as vessels constrained by draught, not under command, etc. COLREGS make no distinction between commercial and pleasure vessels nor do they give one vessel "right of way" over another and are clear that the stand on vessel must also take action if the action of the give way vessel alone is not sufficient to prevent a collision (or if the give way vessel takes no action). Yes, . . really !! A large commercial vessel having to follow a precise line in a narrow deep water channel and gaining on pleasure craft dawdling along directly in their path can never be sure that they've been seen and that the smaller vessels will get out of the way in good time. Result, . . the large commercial, more often than not, is forced to reduce speed to be certain of avoiding running the pleasure craft down, . . or in other words is 'impeded' by the smaller vessel.
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Post by perkwunos on Apr 3, 2020 20:56:43 GMT
Why do you have to be so damn rude? I had not seen that before. There are far ruder people on here - your judgement is tainted. Such as?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 21:01:19 GMT
There are far ruder people on here - your judgement is tainted. Such as? Well I wouldn't like to suggest anyone as that would be rude.
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 3, 2020 21:04:14 GMT
Well I wouldn't like to suggest anyone as that would be rude. 🙄. Promise so much, deliver so little! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 21:05:49 GMT
Well I wouldn't like to suggest anyone as that would be rude. 🙄. Promise so much, deliver so little! 🙄 That is what my wife used to say!
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 3, 2020 21:12:53 GMT
🙄. Promise so much, deliver so little! 🙄 That is what my wife used to say! Must of made you very proud huh? So are you going to name names? Rude posters intrigue me. 👍
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 21:13:39 GMT
Oh really? I thought they had every right to be there with, as you state, due consideration given to issues such as vessels constrained by draught, not under command, etc. COLREGS make no distinction between commercial and pleasure vessels nor do they give one vessel "right of way" over another and are clear that the stand on vessel must also take action if the action of the give way vessel alone is not sufficient to prevent a collision (or if the give way vessel takes no action). Yes, . . really !! A large commercial vessel having to follow a precise line in a narrow deep water channel and gaining on pleasure craft dawdling along directly in their path can never be sure that they've been seen and that the smaller vessels will get out of the way in good time. Result, . . the large commercial, more often than not, is forced to reduce speed to be certain of avoiding running the pleasure craft down, . . or in other words is 'impeded' by the smaller vessel. As previously stated, no vessel has at any time a 'right of way' over any other. The situation may be very annoying for the faster vessel closing astern, and quite possibly dangerous for the vessel ahead, but does not mean the stand-on vessel has any less 'right' to be on the water as you assert. There probably are other questions worth asking, such as those surrounding competence and why it is that a completely inexperienced and unqualified helmsman can be on a commercial waterway in the first place, but these are wholly separate issues. Anyway lets do something more constructive than bickering. Assume that a vessel constrained by draught is approaching a smaller slower vessel from astern, and the smaller vessel is aware of the need to make room for the larger vessel. Which course should it follow?
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