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Post by lollygagger on Apr 12, 2020 14:12:28 GMT
OK a good thing - Despite one of my sons being "stuck" in NZ, I hope cheap air travel becomes a thing of the past and people contemplate just how much of their lives were spent getting from A to B and try and cut some of that out somehow.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 12, 2020 14:18:56 GMT
Hopefully we'll start making a few things ourselves again and start using less oil. We could then tell inhuman regimes such as China and those in the middle east to sling their hooks, rather than politely sucking up to them.
Another good thing: someone who questions the principle of globalism will no longer automatically be a racist.
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Post by ianali on Apr 12, 2020 14:44:11 GMT
Fair point. My pension age has already been staged later... Oh Lor! Β I just had a horrid thought!Β Exactly, mine too and yes to that horrible thought. My pitiful saving rate just went down from 1.2 to 0.4%. The pound had plummeted and get ready for inflation to eat up everything else. I don't think anybody will be immune from a big devaluing of everything they own or have saved. My skimping lifestyle may not be enough to make it to retirement age and when I get there, the state pension won't go as far and that's all I have to look forward to. Economically the best thing would be for the whole world to hit the ground running ASAP. Mankind is on a sprint to oblivion anyway. I would move accounts, plenty paying well over 3x your interest.
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Post by ianali on Apr 12, 2020 14:46:27 GMT
Hopefully we'll start making a few things ourselves again and start using less oil. We could then tell inhuman regimes such as China and those in the middle east to sling their hooks, rather than politely sucking up to them. Another good thing: someone who questions the principle of globalism will no longer automatically be a racist. Deleted because I donβt want to fall out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 14:49:32 GMT
To be fair I think he is trying to?
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Post by ianali on Apr 12, 2020 14:58:33 GMT
To be fair I think he is trying to? Yes your probably right.
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Post by twbm2 on Apr 12, 2020 15:10:00 GMT
I suppose if I'm brutally honest I have a lot of aspirations regarding how other people ought to behave, but I still want to get back to our modest place in France, tour Europe and go on the Safari we've (hopefully still) got planned for October.
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 12, 2020 16:54:28 GMT
We live as simply as possible but this lockdown thing has still curtailed the things I did enjoy. I should be oop on t'moors enjoying the peace and quiet, camping and walking - The peace and quiet is not supposed to come to me! I don't miss an income, most of it disappeared down a black hole anyway. If you haven't got it... But if everyone suddenly started living the simple life, fixing their own plumbing and stopped buying crap, the crawl out of economic depression will take even longer and more people will be forced to live the simple life ad infinitum. This may sound good, but who exactly is going to pay for supporting 10M out of work people? Fair point. My pension age has already been staged later... Oh Lor! I just had a horrid thought! I checked my govt pension due date and amount last week and found I still have a single years NI contribution to pay. I thought they had dropped the max needed to 32 years? Ill be due Β£175 pw at 67 years old once the final years NI is paid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 16:58:55 GMT
You are lucky, I'm missing thirty years! Pension will be pretty basic when I get there.
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 12, 2020 17:07:27 GMT
My sis is in a similar position after giving up work at 40 and buggering off on holiday to Turkey for 18 yearsπ Shes been back and working a couple of years now but still has a fairly big shortfall.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 17:14:53 GMT
I suppose if I'm brutally honest I have a lot of aspirations regarding how other people ought to behave, but I still want to get back to our modest place in France, tour Europe and go on the Safari we've (hopefully still) got planned for October. Being brutally honest - thatβs the sort of lifestyle that has compounded this mess. Folks returning from skiing trips in Italy, cruises to far off places, cheek by jowl package holidays with folks from every part of the globe looking for a bit of winter sun. Iβve emerged from a miserable wet autumn and winter having never left the county let alone the country,- mine isnβt a bad lot by any means - what is for certain my net contribution to the spread of Coronavirus is 3/5 of 5/8 of fuck all! Yet here I am, working reduced hours due to school closures, watching a successful business Iβve been part of for a fag paper short of 20 years rapidly contracting while my better half puts hers and our safety on the line as a frontline member of the NHS. thatβs before you mention lockdown, the hassle of getting basic foodstuffs, closure of pubs, restaurants, parks etc and the tale of woe that is unable to enjoy boating. There is plenty to be said for a simple lifestyle, particularly where that lifestyle doesnβt involve travelling large distance for almost entirely selfish reasons - not to mention the environmental impact jet setting has, something that the green loonies will no doubt make a big deal of in the very near future.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 12, 2020 17:15:53 GMT
You are lucky, I'm missing thirty years! Pension will be pretty basic when I get there. As long as you don't have too much in savings you'll get the full amount regardless of contributions. Pension credit. You'll also get free council tax while those who have paid full contributions still have to pay it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 17:23:21 GMT
It's quite interesting to consider what would happen if large numbers of people, let's say 10 million as a ball park figure, were forced into destitution. For some reason I think that they would end up with shelter and enough to eat. Maybe not and that is the ultimate fear everyone has but I think the system would adapt to deal with it. A question that has always intrigued me is how would the system cope if all these currently unemployed people suddenly found out that it was a more pleasant life than robotically going to work like zombies? As ianali suggested a lot of people like their luxuries so it would probably be self levelling. Also interesting to see what happens when homeless are "released" from hotels. Hmm.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 12, 2020 17:47:00 GMT
It's quite interesting to consider what would happen if large numbers of people, let's say 10 million as a ball park figure, were forced into destitution. For some reason I think that they would end up with shelter and enough to eat. Maybe not and that is the ultimate fear everyone has but I think the system would adapt to deal with it. A question that has always intrigued me is how would the system cope if all these currently unemployed people suddenly found out that it was a more pleasant life than robotically going to work like zombies? As ianali suggested a lot of people like their luxuries so it would probably be self levelling. Also interesting to see what happens when homeless are "released" from hotels. Hmm. Anyone with a mortgage won't be happy unemployed. The "pay your mortgage interest forever" loophole was closed years ago.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 12, 2020 17:54:15 GMT
Fair enough, but I'd like to guess that for many quite a bit of money gets wasted every year on stuff that in the end isn't really appreciated and certainly not needed. It could be that until the money starts to roll in again a simpler life might be just as enjoyable. I dont miss my Β£30,000 a year! ...honestly, I dont! π I agree with you. Ali and me packed up work at 50 years of age when we decided we had enough in savings to do so. It meant we had to keep more of an eye on what we spent, but donβt regret it one bit. Friends did, and some still do think we were mad. Some of them have moved on in there ways, brought bigger houses, shinier cars etc. My children both work hard, both spend money on posh holidays and cars.. Whoβs right or wrong? My point is that we all like different things, and long may we all be able to choose as we wish. Quite canny in my estimation. Life is short. So many people want more and more and then drop dead of a heart attack trying to cram it all in. It's better to look back and see all you have achieved, rather than look back and see all you did was scamper after more money. People who worship your money are people not worth knowing. Bassplayer is also on the right track but has the record stuck with the live-without-money theme, as no-one is ever going to sell a bicycle in exchange for a bunch of carrots and a marrow.
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