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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 14:30:06 GMT
I think it can be worse than war in some ways. At least with war you know what's happening and can get on and sort it out in whatever way you want to. Ok there are helpless victims but people who can help are enabled to help. Everyone is different. Some people would prefer to make ammo boxes and field telephones others would prefer to go and kill the enemy with guns. In this situation you get a vast number of people with different behaviours asked to all do the same thing. For some people this will be very damaging, others less so but the point is that there is no enemy. It's a medical problem not people throwing bombs around. It's no wonder it causes conspiracy theories to arise. have you never heard of the Blitz and spending all night every night in bomb shelters?
no choice - get out of your home and find shelter - now! - or else!!
That's what they want you to think.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 17, 2020 14:33:41 GMT
I've just posted the casting vote. 5-4. No, the vaccine (if there ever is one) should not be compulsory. Thank you for your participation in our survey.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 17, 2020 15:23:50 GMT
Just for Foxy.
The police apparently prefer harassing responsible individuals safely walking their dogs on the moors rather than dispersing virtue signalling idiot crowds blatantly ignoring social distancing rules big time, including the police themselves. Will we see the Police shouting "GO HOME!" at themselves? "And the police & fire brigade have joined in, this is what happens when you have a bunch of attention seekers who care only about being on social media & television, jumping on whatever bandwagon is popular at the time & not actually about the NHS or other people. This nonsense has to be cancelled-we don't need to be clapping every week, our appreciation can be shown by only going out for food & medicine as requested & that is what helps the NHS, not hollow gestures from people of whom the majority are the ones who have stockpiled toilet rolls, wipes, food etc from the supermarkets depriving the NHS workers & everybody else of having enough to get by & then they have the audacity to stand there clapping for them."
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Post by dyertribe on Apr 18, 2020 8:38:08 GMT
Ive been thinking about this.... I think that vaccination shouldn’t be compulsory but certain venues and activities should be able to refuse attendance/participation if you are unvaccinated. Not that difficult to set up a registration system
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 8:49:29 GMT
An interesting idea dyertribe. But would there be any point ? If you'd declined a vaccine and continued to mix surely you'd be the loser ? Anyway I'm not clever enough to understand all the machinations of this virus pandemic ... and from my ignorance I suspect that to date, no vaccination for a flu has ever been created so to have one later this year seems a fools hope. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 9:20:06 GMT
Ive been thinking about this.... I think that vaccination shouldn’t be compulsory but certain venues and activities should be able to refuse attendance/participation if you are unvaccinated. Not that difficult to set up a registration system What about those who have had it and built up an immunity? As time goes on this percentage will get increasingly higher, especially as the Iceland data seems to show that around 50% who are positive showed no symptoms. There has been no random testing to determine how many of us have already had it. It doesn't help that the antibody test is still in development.
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Post by dyertribe on Apr 18, 2020 10:18:43 GMT
An interesting idea dyertribe . But would there be any point ? If you'd declined a vaccine and continued to mix surely you'd be the loser ? Anyway I'm not clever enough to understand all the machinations of this virus pandemic ... and from my ignorance I suspect that to date, no vaccination for a flu has ever been created so to have one later this year seems a fools hope. Rog The point would be that the vaccine would not be compulsory however the fact that if you haven’t had it your life would be severely restricted. A good motivator for having the jab I would argue.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 10:20:55 GMT
It's definitely an interesting idea.
I'd quite like that as would not intend to have the vaccine and always avoid crowds anyway.
Too open to manipulation.
How about tagging people who have not had the vaccine and having remotely operated electric shock equipment.
That might work.
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Post by dyertribe on Apr 18, 2020 10:22:53 GMT
Ive been thinking about this.... I think that vaccination shouldn’t be compulsory but certain venues and activities should be able to refuse attendance/participation if you are unvaccinated. Not that difficult to set up a registration system What about those who have had it and built up an immunity? As time goes on this percentage will get increasingly higher, especially as the Iceland data seems to show that around 50% who are positive showed no symptoms. There has been no random testing to determine how many of us have already had it. It doesn't help that the antibody test is still in development. Then, if immunity was shown to be lasting, you would be exempt from the need for a vaccine and added to the register, similarly, if there were medical reasons why the vaccine would be inappropriate for you, you would be exempt. Hey, this was a thought, not the full blown policy!!
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Post by dyertribe on Apr 18, 2020 10:24:09 GMT
It's definitely an interesting idea. I'd quite like that as would not intend to have the vaccine and always avoid crowds anyway. Too open to manipulation. How about tagging people who have not had the vaccine and having remotely operated electric shock equipment. That might work. That might be taking it a little too far?
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Post by JohnV on Apr 18, 2020 10:50:14 GMT
vaccination ...... or crucifixion ?
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Post by phil70 on Apr 18, 2020 11:23:01 GMT
As for all immunisation, people should have the freedom to choose. Then sign to formally opt out of free treatment for themselves and their children if they then contract the relevant disease. Given that the NHS pride themselves on treating anyone in need regardless of anything else, I very much doubt anyone would be left to die on the street. A great pity Phil
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Post by patty on Apr 18, 2020 11:41:49 GMT
Ive been thinking about this.... I think that vaccination shouldn’t be compulsory but certain venues and activities should be able to refuse attendance/participation if you are unvaccinated. Not that difficult to set up a registration system I can see travel insurance and cruise ships insisting ... Bit like Yellow Fever if u want to go S. America..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 11:48:40 GMT
I'm surprised it's 7:6 in favour of forced medication.
It seems to me to be a bit of a dodgy precedent. Are there any other medical interventions which are obligatory?
Can't think of anything.
I mean for someone not travelling outside of the UK.
How would you enforce it?
Are we talking an intervention like the MH section 2 where you would be forced against your will if you refused?
Too dodgy !!!
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Post by kris on Apr 18, 2020 16:14:12 GMT
I'm surprised it's 7:6 in favour of forced medication. It seems to me to be a bit of a dodgy precedent. Are there any other medical interventions which are obligatory? Can't think of anything. I mean for someone not travelling outside of the UK. How would you enforce it? Are we talking an intervention like the MH section 2 where you would be forced against your will if you refused? Too dodgy !!! that’s the way they are thinking of going, along with having to run some kind of app to prove vaccination.
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