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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:27:55 GMT
50ft gets you a bedroom with a bed that's lengthways. My boat is 42' and it has a bed that's lengthways. Yes but that is a standard thing with coffins. Have you ever seen anyone lying sideways across a coffin? I haven't.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 19, 2020 19:29:50 GMT
50ft gets you a bedroom with a bed that's lengthways. My boat is 42' and it has a bed that's lengthways. I believe Ricco's boat is 36' and he has a bed which is lengthways. What is it that you don't have then?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:32:39 GMT
Room to swing a cat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:33:30 GMT
I know. I know.... There is so much more space I can use as storage or whatever on a 50ft boat. I must be honest, I'm not that fussed about being able to navigate more easily on a smaller boat, etc- in this case its all about the price. At four years old this looks likely to be in almost mint condition, and so cheap... Thats what attracted my attention if I'm honest But if it will never work properly because of a lakc of storage, thats a deal breaker even if it was half the price again And the fit out looks ok. It has some cupboards and storage under the beds and a stove. You do need this kind of thing or you'll have to make it. You can't buy stuff that fits narrowboats. The 60ft one had nothing. I agree with you, I think its a nice interior, and the all important gas cooker. I can see it only has two batteries, so I'd need to find a way of squeezing in more capacity. In a 60ft boat I might be able to fit an ebike inside, but there's no way in this one- it has to go in the bow or stern. The solar looks rubbish too, I'd need two decent panels and probably a new MPPT controller thing as well.... Just realised its probably got a smallish water tank, but I can work around that As long as I can fit in the essentials for normal boat life.... I think this will sell pretty quickly after the restrictions lift, so unless I arrange for some kind of bridging loan finance (which will incur signficant interest charges), it'll be well gone by August anyway. But its a good example of a potential smaller boat option that is available I must be honest, the interior reminds me of those viking 32cc GRP cruisers
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 19, 2020 19:34:02 GMT
- It has no dedicated bedroom- you turn the lounge sofas into a bed - Almost no storage space There looks to be a bit of storage under the bench seats Ours is a simple 40-foot boat, with just 'kitchen' as you come down the steps, short corridor as it goes past the 'bathroom' on the left, and then just the one 'room'. I did have a bunk bed in mind but the slope of the walls means that you can't get it right to the bottom edge of the floor so the gap left for walking past is narrow. I saw a pine bed on eBay in a village next to the canal, King's Sutton (our boat was in Banbury and we were going to Lower Heyford). It came in pieces, seller put it in his car and drove to the boat (parked next to bridge), the headboard wouldn't fit in his car so I carried in, about a mile. Assembled the bed inside boat (old wooden 'futon' thing that came with the boat went up the chimney), drew a line down it and sliced that section off to allow a walkway, re-assembled bed. It's always there and ready for us to flop down and have an afternoon snooze. No sodding about unpacking it from a wall. We usually have stuff piled on it during the day, and at night put those things onto the 'dinette' seats in the kitchen. One advantage (if you can see this as an advantage) is that there's loads of storage space under the bed. We have a number of plastic boxes under the bed for, eg. clothes. A couple of briefcases, the box for coal and the box for some kindling-&-logs, the bowsaw and the axe (for dealing with Trina's hitman)(she has a contract out on me - although I do remember removing my boots before entering their boat!). Now that we have had a tidy up of our boat in recent trips, we realise we actually have quite a lot of spare room. There's space under the dinette seats, in the cratch, inside the steps, beside the steps, under the cooker, under the fridge, on shelves in the bedroom, and in our bedside cabinets, and the kitchen drawers too. I like to have things neatly in all kinds of boxes - shoe boxes from shoe shops are great - just ask! - some are good quality - and we have an A-Z List of Where Things Are so that if we can't remember where the new water pump impeller is (for instance) we look at the list for W.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 19, 2020 19:34:51 GMT
My boat is 42' and it has a bed that's lengthways. I believe Ricco's boat is 36' and he has a bed which is lengthways. What is it that you don't have then? I don't know, I would seem to have everything one needs on a liveaboard boat.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 19, 2020 19:36:13 GMT
You could have a 500' long narrowboat and you wouldn't be able to swing a cat. The clue is in the name.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:37:00 GMT
50ft gets you a bedroom with a bed that's lengthways. My boat is 42' and it has a bed that's lengthways. I believe Ricco's boat is 36' and he has a bed which is lengthways. But Mr Stabby, where do you keep your collection of stabbing implements on a 42ft boat? And your wellies? and your toolkit? It looks like a bit of a challenge in these smaller boats, but knowing that a few people like yourself and Ricco can liveaboard reasonably well in a smallish boat does make me think a bit more seriously about the idea...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:38:31 GMT
It really depends on the fit-out. Some are so clever. This is a 35ft cruiser stern that is such a nice blend of modern and trad:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:39:12 GMT
The whole toileting situation becomes more pressing with smaller boats.
A lot of people seem to prefer to store material in a reasonably large tank. This takes up room and because narrow boats are not particularly deep it will often impinge somewhat into the storage and/or living accomodation.
Ultimately it is storage but one has to ask whether one actually wants to store large quantities of used food on board.
@tonyc did you come to a conclusion about what sort of toileting arrangements you were going to have?
This is ultimately what it comes down to with boats.
Specially canal boats which have the two dilemmas of lack of internal volume and no legal overboard discharge options unless you go on the River Nene.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 19, 2020 19:39:59 GMT
My boat is 42' and it has a bed that's lengthways. I believe Ricco's boat is 36' and he has a bed which is lengthways. But Mr Stabby, where do you keep your collection of stabbing implements on a 42ft boat? And your wellies? and your toolkit? It looks like a bit of a challenge in these smaller boats, but knowing that a few people like yourself and Ricco can liveaboard reasonably well in a smallish boat does make me think a bit more seriously about the idea... I don't have any wellies- I'm not Welsh. Although I do have a spare fan belt. I have loads of tools, they live in the engine room.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:40:49 GMT
You could have a 500' long narrowboat and you wouldn't be able to swing a cat. The clue is in the name. It's an expression. I think you probably could use the captain's daughter in a narrow boat actually as it happens. Not that I have tried it as usually no need for discipline.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 19, 2020 19:42:56 GMT
And the fit out looks ok. It has some cupboards and storage under the beds and a stove. You do need this kind of thing or you'll have to make it. You can't buy stuff that fits narrowboats. The 60ft one had nothing. I agree with you, I think its a nice interior, and the all important gas cooker. I can see it only has two batteries, so I'd need to find a way of squeezing in more capacity. In a 60ft boat I might be able to fit an ebike inside, but there's no way in this one- it has to go in the bow or stern. The solar looks rubbish too, I'd need two decent panels and probably a new MPPT controller thing as well.... Just realised its probably got a smallish water tank, but I can work around that As long as I can fit in the essentials for normal boat life.... I think this will sell pretty quickly after the restrictions lift, so unless I arrange for some kind of bridging loan finance (which will incur signficant interest charges), it'll be well gone by August anyway. But its a good example of a potential smaller boat option that is available I must be honest, the interior reminds me of those viking 32cc GRP cruisers There will always be another one. I seriously wouldn't buy one until you want one and certainly without visiting it. This one is all in scale inside - i.e. the fridge is tiny and so is the oven so it looks good. You might find if you got onboard it's only good for midgets. The hearth is also stupid, not big enough and could so easily have carried on under where they've balanced the scuttle. Beware things that look good but aren't so great when you look a bit harder. I really think your best bet is to buy not quite any old boat, but one that's good value. Potter around in it. At some point you'll see one for sale with everything your pottering around had taught you that you'd like/need - Buy that, move your stuff, sell the first one. It's not like buying a house.
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Post by lollygagger on Apr 19, 2020 19:45:35 GMT
What is it that you don't have then? I don't know, I would seem to have everything one needs on a liveaboard boat. Sleep on the sofa?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:49:28 GMT
- It has no dedicated bedroom- you turn the lounge sofas into a bed - Almost no storage space There looks to be a bit of storage under the bench seats Ours is a simple 40-foot boat, with just 'kitchen' as you come down the steps, short corridor as it goes past the 'bathroom' on the left, and then just the one 'room'. I did have a bunk bed in mind but the slope of the walls means that you can't get it right to the bottom edge of the floor so the gap left for walking past is narrow. I saw a pine bed on eBay in a village next to the canal, King's Sutton (our boat was in Banbury and we were going to Lower Heyford). It came in pieces, seller put it in his car and drove to the boat (parked next to bridge), the headboard wouldn't fit in his car so I carried in, about a mile. Assembled the bed inside boat (old wooden 'futon' thing that came with the boat went up the chimney), drew a line down it and sliced that section off to allow a walkway, re-assembled bed. It's always there and ready for us to flop down and have an afternoon snooze. No sodding about unpacking it from a wall. We usually have stuff piled on it during the day, and at night put those things onto the 'dinette' seats in the kitchen. One advantage (if you can see this as an advantage) is that there's loads of storage space under the bed. We have a number of plastic boxes under the bed for, eg. clothes. A couple of briefcases, the box for coal and the box for some kindling-&-logs, the bowsaw and the axe (for dealing with Trina's hitman)(she has a contract out on me - although I do remember removing my boots before entering their boat!). Now that we have had a tidy up of our boat in recent trips, we realise we actually have quite a lot of spare room. There's space under the dinette seats, in the cratch, inside the steps, beside the steps, under the cooker, under the fridge, on shelves in the bedroom, and in our bedside cabinets, and the kitchen drawers too. I like to have things neatly in all kinds of boxes - shoe boxes from shoe shops are great - just ask! - some are good quality - and we have an A-Z List of Where Things Are so that if we can't remember where the new water pump impeller is (for instance) we look at the list for W. Et tu, Mr Fox? Another medium sized boat owner? I dont do afternoon snoozes if I'm honest, although I can see it becoming more of a thing after carrying bags of coal and cycling ten miles before lunch. It seems a generally much more physical lifestyle on a boat... But were I to be overcome by slumber after my various labours, I could use one of those luxurious bench seats. Bit primitive, bit cramped, bit uncomfortable- but more hard core boater brownie points maybe?
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