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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:50:44 GMT
well ..... I don't know if this is the same boat but the engine worked very well when I saw it ....... it gave a helping hand with getting the "Bartholomew" down the canal when the steering went for a burton (The Bartholomew is a 60 foot crane barge ) towed us quite well !!! SAM_1976 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Just to add the bits you can see are the side pontoons of the crane barge .... about 40 plus foot long so with the barge as well total length of tow was maybe 120 foot I once towed a 70ft wooden butty about 5 miles with an SR2 (13hp) no problems. Stopping was a bit alarming though. Also I've heard there's a guy in London who powers his 50 footer with...wait for it...a British Seagull 40+... but I haven't seen this with my own eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:54:04 GMT
You could have a 500' long narrowboat and you wouldn't be able to swing a cat. The clue is in the name. It's an expression. I think you probably could use the captain's daughter in a narrow boat actually as it happens. Not that I have tried it as usually no need for discipline. Did you mean 'the gunner's daughter'?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:56:03 GMT
Captain's daughter as in "put him in a bunk with the captain's daughter" from the drunken sailor song.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 19, 2020 19:59:26 GMT
I don't know, I would seem to have everything one needs on a liveaboard boat. Sleep on the sofa? No, I have a cabin with a fixed 4' bed (to be honest I think making up a bed every day would soon start to get on my tits) but I also have a 7' long sofa bed in the saloon. I also have a galley with a full sized fridge and gas cooker and as much work surface as I need. I have a combined toilet/ shower room which is ingeniously designed and takes up little more room than one pallet space on a truck so I guess a lot of the space saving takes place there. I'll post some photos of the layout tomorrow if anyone's interested.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 19, 2020 20:01:26 GMT
Captain's daughter as in "put him in a bunk with the captain's daughter" from the drunken sailor song. The Captain had a daughter. Who fell in deep sea water. And by her squeals we knew the eels had found her sexual quarters
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:02:38 GMT
Friends of ours were live aboards for twenty years on a 35ft Springer.
It's not whether it can be done, rather whether you want to do it.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:03:37 GMT
The whole toileting situation becomes more pressing with smaller boats. A lot of people seem to prefer to store material in a reasonably large tank. This takes up room and because narrow boats are not particularly deep it will often impinge somewhat into the storage and/or living accomodation. Ultimately it is storage but one has to ask whether one actually wants to store large quantities of used food on board. @tonyc did you come to a conclusion about what sort of toileting arrangements you were going to have? This is ultimately what it comes down to with boats. Specially canal boats which have the two dilemmas of lack of internal volume and no legal overboard discharge options unless you go on the River Nene. Well its confession time- I d actually favour a composting toilet if one can be fitted. I was going to ask you folks what your preferences were on this maybe next week tbh... The nature's head is the one I've seen reviews of, and I like the idea of only needing to empty the 'solids' container maybe once a month. I'm assuming you can chuck it down an elsan? Same as a cassette in that repsect but emptied far less often, which I really like the sound of. The urine part is much easier to deal with- it has to emptied every few days, so perhaps some sort of holding tank could be used, in the bow maybe... ON a boat this size, or rather with its current layout, theres just no room for a nature's head, so for the time being I would stick with the cassette, and try to find ways of extending the time between emptyings. There is the option of spare cassettes of course (which would have to be held in the bow I think), but it seems like its mixing the two components that causes the unpleasant smell, so maybe I could find some way of separation within this confined space- but toileting in the way I had hoped would certainly be a challenge in this space.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:03:41 GMT
Yes photos of the 4' bed and how you fit on it will be good I think it might be a good boat you have there. Despite the worrying name.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:03:50 GMT
Captain's daughter as in "put him in a bunk with the captain's daughter" from the drunken sailor song. Well that sounds like a much more pleasant activity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:05:54 GMT
No you can't chuck it down the elsan because it causes blockages. I think that CRT have told people not to do this and additionally they may have told people not to place it in the domestic waste systems either. Not sure on these points but it's not as simple as it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:06:44 GMT
The whole toileting situation becomes more pressing with smaller boats. A lot of people seem to prefer to store material in a reasonably large tank. This takes up room and because narrow boats are not particularly deep it will often impinge somewhat into the storage and/or living accomodation. Ultimately it is storage but one has to ask whether one actually wants to store large quantities of used food on board. @tonyc did you come to a conclusion about what sort of toileting arrangements you were going to have? This is ultimately what it comes down to with boats. Specially canal boats which have the two dilemmas of lack of internal volume and no legal overboard discharge options unless you go on the River Nene. Well its confession time- I d actually favour a composting toilet if one can be fitted. I was going to ask you folks what your preferences were on this maybe next week tbh... The nature's head is the one I've seen reviews of, and I like the idea of only needing to empty the 'solids' container maybe once a month. I'm assuming you can chuck it down an elsan? Same as a cassette in that repsect but emptied far less often, which I really like the sound of. The urine part is much easier to deal with- it has to emptied every few days, so perhaps some sort of holding tank could be used, in the bow maybe... ON a boat this size, or rather with its current layout, theres just no room for a nature's head, so for the time being I would stick with the cassette, and try to find ways of extending the time between emptyings. There is the option of spare cassettes of course (which would have to be held in the bow I think), but it seems like its mixing the two components that causes the unpleasant smell, so maybe I could find some way of separation within this confined space- but toileting in the way I had hoped would certainly be a challenge in this space. No you cant empty a compost toilet down an elsan. Not if anyone is watching anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:06:47 GMT
Captain's daughter as in "put him in a bunk with the captain's daughter" from the drunken sailor song. Well that sounds like a much more pleasant activity. It isn't because the captain's daughter is a rope whip (the "cat") and putting in the bunk means beat until he can't stand up anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:08:45 GMT
Friends of ours were live aboards for twenty years on a 35ft Springer. It's not whether it can be done, rather whether you want to do it. Rog Fair point Rog. I must admit if I had the money this month and they were open, I would go and view this one tomorrow, just to see how it felt inside. Its cheap enough that I could afford some mods if required to make it more liveable for my own preferences I dont see any brokers reopening for viewing for at least a month, so I'm thinking maybe early June. At that time I'll only be 8 weeks away from having the funds ready, so this one is on my visit list. I'm thinking the brokers are going to swamped once they reopen
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 19, 2020 20:12:08 GMT
Friends of ours were live aboards for twenty years on a 35ft Springer. It's not whether it can be done, rather whether you want to do it. Rog One thing that made the transition to liveaboard life easy for me was that I'd spent much of the previous 30 years living in the cab of an articulated lorry. Back in the day I would often do trips into the arse end of Russia which took a couple of months to complete. I watched a telly programme with James May a couple of days ago and he was at the Lada factory in Togliatti and they did an aerial shot and I thought "Ooh, that's where I parked my truck just over there". So obviously 42' of living space is like a palace.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 19, 2020 20:15:57 GMT
Ours is a simple 40-foot boat, with just 'kitchen' as you come down the steps, short corridor as it goes past the 'bathroom' on the left, and then just the one 'room'. I did have a bunk bed in mind but the slope of the walls means that you can't get it right to the bottom edge of the floor so the gap left for walking past is narrow. I saw a pine bed on eBay in a village next to the canal, King's Sutton (our boat was in Banbury and we were going to Lower Heyford). It came in pieces, seller put it in his car and drove to the boat (parked next to bridge), the headboard wouldn't fit in his car so I carried in, about a mile. Assembled the bed inside boat (old wooden 'futon' thing that came with the boat went up the chimney), drew a line down it and sliced that section off to allow a walkway, re-assembled bed. It's always there and ready for us to flop down and have an afternoon snooze. No sodding about unpacking it from a wall. We usually have stuff piled on it during the day, and at night put those things onto the 'dinette' seats in the kitchen. One advantage (if you can see this as an advantage) is that there's loads of storage space under the bed. We have a number of plastic boxes under the bed for, eg. clothes. A couple of briefcases, the box for coal and the box for some kindling-&-logs, the bowsaw and the axe (for dealing with Trina's hitman)(she has a contract out on me - although I do remember removing my boots before entering their boat!). Now that we have had a tidy up of our boat in recent trips, we realise we actually have quite a lot of spare room. There's space under the dinette seats, in the cratch, inside the steps, beside the steps, under the cooker, under the fridge, on shelves in the bedroom, and in our bedside cabinets, and the kitchen drawers too. I like to have things neatly in all kinds of boxes - shoe boxes from shoe shops are great - just ask! - some are good quality - and we have an A-Z List of Where Things Are so that if we can't remember where the new water pump impeller is (for instance) we look at the list for W. Et tu, Mr Fox? Another medium sized boat owner? I dont do afternoon snoozes if I'm honest, although I can see it becoming more of a thing after carrying bags of coal and cycling ten miles before lunch. It seems a generally much more physical lifestyle on a boat... But were I to be overcome by slumber after my various labours, I could use one of those luxurious bench seats. Bit primitive, bit cramped, bit uncomfortable- but more hard core boater brownie points maybe? I don't have any inside photos of our boat on this computer to hand, they'll be in print form in envelopes in boxes - which are right next to me here, but it'd take an hour or two to run through them. I have this, however: Last June between Burton-on-Trent and Shardlow. I wouldn't like to sleep sideways, you'll wake up all disorientated when someone has been driving the boat, and as boats rock side-to-side I believe sleeping lengthways is more natural.
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