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Post by lollygagger on Apr 26, 2020 18:24:14 GMT
No. Simply stopping making ALL cars would resolve the problem.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 26, 2020 18:36:05 GMT
Well, our chainsaw doesn't work on green energy but 98-octane petrol mixed with 2-stroke oil. The wind will carry the exhaust off to Russia What happens when its to expensive to buy it? Then we shall have to use the bowsaw It will be more work, and slower, but not impossible to gather enough trees and turn them into logs. But then... how will we carry them home 16 miles by car and trailer if petrol is too expensive for us to buy? Of course, the metal for the bowsaw has come from iron mines, and the electricity used to heat the Bessemer furnaces comes from fossil fuels, probably coal-fired power stations (or nuclear in our case - Russians building one just up the road from us, when they wake up from their vodka-induced slumber). There are times when I really don't care, and turn another light on in the house just for the sake of speeding up the inevitable.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 26, 2020 18:39:07 GMT
agree, speed is not essential as the pollution caused by the mining and refining of the materials and the actual manufacturing process would outweigh the advantages for ages
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 18:42:44 GMT
agree, speed is not essential as the pollution caused by the mining and refining of the materials and the actual manufacturing process would outweigh the advantages for ages Ok, fair play Foxy. You have offered a 'solution'
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 26, 2020 18:45:48 GMT
new ICE cars just have to be made socially unacceptable to resolve the problem, "China is giving cash to car buyers to revive sales crushed by the pandemic" edition.cnn.com/2020/04/14/business/china-auto-industry-coronavirus/index.html "Changsha, the capital of central China’s Hunan province, is joining three other major cities and subsidizing new-vehicle sales produced locally to help spur demand and minimize the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. The city will offer subsidies of up to 3,000 yuan ($429) to buyers of new vehicles built locally by five automakers from March 11 to June 30, the Changsha city government said Friday." www.autonews.com/china/changsha-becomes-4th-chinese-city-subsidize-new-vehicle-salesI do hope they've put some money aside to compensate the rest of the world for their lovely coronavirus...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 18:48:02 GMT
No. Simply stopping making ALL cars would resolve the problem. And that would seem like reactionary twaddle were it not for the 'before and after' pictures from places like Delhi. There's an answer now for all those people who say 'but its more complicated than that'. Nope, it isn't. Isn't it a shame how the hard evidence won't change a damn thing?
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Post by kris on Apr 27, 2020 11:23:24 GMT
No. Simply stopping making ALL cars would resolve the problem. And that would seem like reactionary twaddle were it not for the 'before and after' pictures from places like Delhi. There's an answer now for all those people who say 'but its more complicated than that'. Nope, it isn't. Isn't it a shame how the hard evidence won't change a damn thing? This crisis has made it blatantly clear that the level of pollution before,isn’t an essential byproduct of us all living. But it’s the cost of never ending pursuit of ever expanding profits, or in other words capitalism causes pollution and destroys our environment. Now what are we going to do about it.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 7, 2020 7:14:05 GMT
Yeah - but what is it made of? And where did the materials come from? And where does the electricity come from?..... and how does the driver get to work? The rubber for the tyres came from...? Chinese neodymium for the electric motors? How did that arrive...? How long will the batteries and motors work before they are knackered? Grease for the moving parts / bearings? Comes from...? It's just a toy at the end of a very long line of actions all aided by fossil fuels, even including the lights in the offices of those who designed it. The only real source of local 'free green energy' is from the Sun and from the heat inside this planet itself. Both are dwindling, of course, but in millions/billions of years, so not really a worry just yet. Solar panels and mirrors to direct sunlight and thermal wells are what we'll end up with, fossils fuels are finite and will run out. All the trees in the world won't take long to burn if you really have a go at it. Most countries in the world are having a go at making green energy, as time goes on it will be the norm "Having a go" here. Talk about sweeping it under the carpet! "Pieces of wind turbine blades are buried in the Casper Regional Landfill in Casper, Wyoming. Because of the conditions they are built to withstand, the blades cannot be easily recycled" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8294057/Hundreds-non-recyclable-fiberglass-wind-turbine-blades-pictured-piling-landfills.html Then just throw some grass seeds on and pretend all is OK.
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Post by peterboat on May 7, 2020 18:01:16 GMT
Foxy the film you first posted has been thoroughly discredited the info was up to 10 years out of date! If you think the waste from fossil fuels is clean think again because it kills people! The waste above doesnt always end up like the picture above its used in other ways, but for you that doesnt make good news. jst because you dont care about your kids future doesnt mean that everyone has to follow your lead, clever people fortunately run countries and makes decisions. You keep on driving your bus mate and leave the big stuff to the grownups that care for their kids future
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Post by peterboat on May 8, 2020 9:23:07 GMT
Foxy the film you first posted has been thoroughly discredited the info was up to 10 years out of date! If you think the waste from fossil fuels is clean think again because it kills people! The waste above doesnt always end up like the picture above its used in other ways, but for you that doesnt make good news. jst because you dont care about your kids future doesnt mean that everyone has to follow your lead, clever people fortunately run countries and makes decisions. You keep on driving your bus mate and leave the big stuff to the grownups that care for their kids future Who has discredited the documentary I posted? I think it highly probable that more fossils fuels go into making 'green energy' (and then cleaning up afterwards) than what eventually comes out of it. I am 'on your side', Peter, but what do you think of windmill blades just being covered under dirt? Is that bulldozer running on 'green energy' or have they come to rely on good ol' diesel (again)? I have never said waste from fossil fuels is clean. All that diesel used to cover up windmill blades - ironic or what? For now it looks like our kids' futures will be one where they go hiking on grasslands, but it is really only a landscaped landfill tip with old windmill blades (and electric cars!) below the surface. Let's face it, the above photo doesn't make 'green energy' look very attractive, does it? In Finland the greedy farmers want 'green energy' firms to build windmills on their land and reap the profits from the rent - when it comes to scrapping the windmills the greedy farmers want to wash their hands of any responsibility and have the tax payers pick up the huge bill. Real green groups not in the pay of the oil companies which is why they know the film is crap! Honestly the launch of the chevy bolt was ten years ago why would you put that in and then give the energy mix from ten years ago? Because it fits the oil companies agenda, which people like you then put on the internet! Once again you cut and paste without checking facts, doing the oil companies work for free. In the last ten years things have changed but waste is waste where ever it comes from fibre glass at least is inert waste from the oil companies isnt
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Post by Jim on May 8, 2020 16:18:15 GMT
Foxy the film you first posted has been thoroughly discredited the info was up to 10 years out of date! If you think the waste from fossil fuels is clean think again because it kills people! The waste above doesnt always end up like the picture above its used in other ways, but for you that doesnt make good news. jst because you dont care about your kids future doesnt mean that everyone has to follow your lead, clever people fortunately run countries and makes decisions. You keep on driving your bus mate and leave the big stuff to the grownups that care for their kids future Who has discredited the documentary I posted? I think it highly probable that more fossils fuels go into making 'green energy' (and then cleaning up afterwards) than what eventually comes out of it. I am 'on your side', Peter, but what do you think of windmill blades just being covered under dirt? Is that bulldozer running on 'green energy' or have they come to rely on good ol' diesel (again)? I have never said waste from fossil fuels is clean. All that diesel used to cover up windmill blades - ironic or what? For now it looks like our kids' futures will be one where they go hiking on grasslands, but it is really only a landscaped landfill tip with old windmill blades (and electric cars!) below the surface. Let's face it, the above photo doesn't make 'green energy' look very attractive, does it? In Finland the greedy farmers want 'green energy' firms to build windmills on their land and reap the profits from the rent - when it comes to scrapping the windmills the greedy farmers want to wash their hands of any responsibility and have the tax payers pick up the huge bill. Still less waste and pollution overall. BTW, there are electric chainsaws.
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Post by Jim on May 8, 2020 16:53:11 GMT
Run it from a genny! Before I got the petrol saw a mate gave me a broken electric one, that just made dust. Till I put the chain on the right way round!
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Post by thebfg on May 31, 2020 1:07:07 GMT
Who has discredited the documentary I posted? I think it highly probable that more fossils fuels go into making 'green energy' (and then cleaning up afterwards) than what eventually comes out of it. I am 'on your side', Peter, but what do you think of windmill blades just being covered under dirt? Is that bulldozer running on 'green energy' or have they come to rely on good ol' diesel (again)? I have never said waste from fossil fuels is clean. All that diesel used to cover up windmill blades - ironic or what? For now it looks like our kids' futures will be one where they go hiking on grasslands, but it is really only a landscaped landfill tip with old windmill blades (and electric cars!) below the surface. Let's face it, the above photo doesn't make 'green energy' look very attractive, does it? In Finland the greedy farmers want 'green energy' firms to build windmills on their land and reap the profits from the rent - when it comes to scrapping the windmills the greedy farmers want to wash their hands of any responsibility and have the tax payers pick up the huge bill. Real green groups not in the pay of the oil companies which is why they know the film is crap![9br] Disclaimer, I haven't seen the video or the counter argument. But, I can see a small issue with that statement. You say oil companies made the video and you say their enemy(so to speak) claim its rubbish. Of course they will disagree. Has anyone neutral discredited it?
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Post by naughtyfox on May 31, 2020 3:22:07 GMT
Anyone can have a go at thinking of the fossil fuel involved to set up electricity generating windmills. Architects driving to work to draw them, people driving to meetings to discuss the siting of them, farmers flying off on holiday after receiving their windfall of cash, cheap labour from across Europe coming in their tatty cars to build them, the machinery used in constructing them. Once up, and the blades not turning most of the time (I can see windmills many times each working day and often wonder what was the point in building them if they ain't spinning)... where is the electricity going? - our bill hasn't gone down! But they are a very much an eyesore, have changed the landscape of Kannus for many years. Then there's the cost of dismantling them after 20 years, as the ball bearings are worn out and the fibre glass blades Made in China (yes they are!!)(and what of the fossil fuels used in bringing them all that way?) are split and cracking. And the fuel for the bulldozers used to cover them in earth and 'landscape' the buried evidence and pretend the episode never happened.
I'm all in favour of 'Green Energy' so I have fed and watered the two unicorns we keep in the garage and we'll be flying on them towards Kainuu today. And not using the car at all, oh no.
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Post by bodger on May 31, 2020 11:25:39 GMT
Anyone can have a go at thinking of the fossil fuel involved to set up electricity generating windmills. Architects driving to work to draw them, people driving to meetings to discuss the siting of them, farmers flying off on holiday after receiving their windfall of cash, cheap labour from across Europe coming in their tatty cars to build them, the machinery used in constructing them. Once up, and the blades not turning most of the time (I can see windmills many times each working day and often wonder what was the point in building them if they ain't spinning)... where is the electricity going? - our bill hasn't gone down! But they are a very much an eyesore, have changed the landscape of Kannus for many years. Then there's the cost of dismantling them after 20 years, as the ball bearings are worn out and the fibre glass blades Made in China (yes they are!!)(and what of the fossil fuels used in bringing them all that way?) are split and cracking. And the fuel for the bulldozers used to cover them in earth and 'landscape' the buried evidence and pretend the episode never happened. I'm all in favour of 'Green Energy' so I have fed and watered the two unicorns we keep in the garage and we'll be flying on them towards Kainuu today. And not using the car at all, oh no. you are at it again.
it is true to say that wind turbine blades are made in China. it is also true to state that the largest blade manufacturers are not in China ........... try Denmark and the isle of Wight for example.
did anyone ever claim that there is no carbon footprint or fossil fuel consumption related to the construction of wind farms?
ball bearings, GRP blades? .................. how long do you think gas turbines and boilers for steam turbines (nuclear, coal and gas fired) last before they require major overhaul or replacement? do you live in some kind of fairyland where everything of quality never needs fixing or scrapping? what do you think all the engineers in the world (other than those involved in design, manufacture and construction) do all day?
where do you think the energy generated by wind farms goes? you should read up on the way that the mix of energy generated by different technologies makes up the overall supply and how it is managed.
if you are not prepared to research the topic thoroughly than you run the risk of making a fool of yourself by posting such utter crap.
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