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Post by Boaty on May 13, 2020 9:32:50 GMT
Appears the Govt have put out an update saying, effectively, that we can use our boats for day trips. The Broads Authority have now declared the Broads open so we await Crt/EA and MLC etc. The final decision has been left with the navigation authority as to whether to open or not. OF course, that does not mean currently closed marinas will open, but it certainly puts the pressure on.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 9:38:40 GMT
Sounds like good news to me.
'Coronavirus & boating update, 13 May 2020 Hello Boater!,
When we were in touch yesterday we said that, along with other navigation authorities, we would review when navigation might re-open in light of the new Government advice. Government have issued clarification this morning, 13 May.
We are now able to set out our approach to opening our navigation to private boating in England. Please remember that social distancing continues to be maintained, with only members of your household able to go aboard your boat until further notice.
From today, Weds 13 May 2020 You may undertake short boating trips only from today – avoiding use of locks and any staff-operated structures if possible – providing, as per current government guidance, you do not stay away from home overnight and return to your home mooring (where you have one).
From Saturday, 23 May: Mooring exemptions will come to an end and our guidance for continuous cruisers comes back in to force. This doesn’t mean that every boat without a home mooring needs to move on this day, just that we’d expect you to move off your current mooring within 14 days (i.e. by 6 June). If you are in a high-risk group, and need to continue to shield or self-isolate, then special arrangements can be agreed with your licence support officer if you haven’t already told us.
From Monday, 1 June: On this date, we anticipate that our navigations will re-open in full, subject to some exceptions*, and you will be able to undertake longer journeys. According to current Government guidance, those who do not liveaboard should not stay overnight. We will seek further clarification as to whether overnight stays will be permissible once full navigation resumes.'
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 13, 2020 10:28:56 GMT
From the C&RT's master communicator today:
"From today, Weds 13 May 2020 - You may undertake short boating trips only from today – avoiding use of locks and any staff-operated structures if possible" . . . . .
. . . . which makes no sense at all, . . what better way is there of preventing C&RT's potentially infectious 'customers' from leaving their germs all over locks and moveable bridges than to have them using 'staff operated structures' while the boat crews stay aboard their plague ships ?!
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Post by Jim on May 13, 2020 11:19:46 GMT
From the C&RT's master communicator today: "From today, Weds 13 May 2020 - You may undertake short boating trips only from today – avoiding use of locks and any staff-operated structures if possible" . . . . .
. . . . which makes no sense at all, . . what better way is there of preventing C&RT's potentially infectious 'customers' from leaving their germs all over locks and moveable bridges than to have them using 'staff operated structures' while the boat crews stay aboard their plague ships ?! The pound I'm moored on is only 200m long. What fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 13:19:44 GMT
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Post by Boaty on May 13, 2020 14:32:01 GMT
I was a little unclear regarding CRT's reference to "not using locks or manned structures if possible" so sought clarification. Here is the response:
Staffed structures will take longer to re-open so we advise to check online before you travel for specific details as they may not be open. In relation to the use of locks, it’s about keeping your journey short and recognising that while they have mostly been out of use for 7 weeks there may be faults that we haven’t identified or had time to check yet – we’re doing that over the next few weeks, so avoid if possible relates to this. We hope this helps to clarify your concern. Thank you.
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Post by Boaty on May 13, 2020 15:14:51 GMT
Have just read through the EA's announcement - no cruising of any sort until June! Cohesion rules ok then (or I have missed something).
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Post by peterboat on May 13, 2020 17:41:51 GMT
The way I have read it is 1st june because I live aboard I can go boating on long trips, leisure boaters cant because they cant stay on the boat overnight, if that is right it will cause a fuss and of course unless something happens is very difficult to enforce
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 17:49:35 GMT
Thats definitely a bit technical where someone has a house and a boat and chooses which one to live in. Or several boats.
This all seems to just be a way of saying "let's see what happens if people do normal things".
If the R rating goes wild and everyone starts dying again then what?
That won't happen but it's always in the back of people's minds isn't it.
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Post by Boaty on May 13, 2020 17:59:56 GMT
The way I have read it is 1st june because I live aboard I can go boating on long trips, leisure boaters cant because they cant stay on the boat overnight, if that is right it will cause a fuss and of course unless something happens is very difficult to enforce That is not how I read it. Basically they seem to me to be saying that up until June it is essential travel only (so no change) but that from now leisure boaters can visit their boats to get them ready for June when it is hoped that non essential boating can recommence. I can find nothing that says leisure boaters cannot stay on their boats overnight. Extract follows: The Government have clearly stated that it is far too early to make fundamental changes to the social distancing requirements in relation to the Coronavirus emergency. So at this stage, we want to reiterate that boaters should avoid all non-essential travel on our waterways for the next few weeks and to make journeys only to access essential services and facilities - this will help ensure safety of boaters and staff. We know boat owners have told us they are keen to get back out on the water in the near future. We are working hard to prepare for boaters to get out on the water as soon as it is safe to do so. Environment Agency teams will prepare for boat travel to resume by undertaking inspections and maintenance to river channels and structures to ensure they are safe. In light of the Prime Minister's announcement, lifting restrictions on spending time outdoors and allowing car travel to outdoor spaces irrespective of distance from Wednesday, boat owners can visit their boats from today (Wednesday 13 May 2020) to ensure they are well maintained, registered and ready for use once restrictions are lifted. We will work as fast as we can to get the navigations ready for non-essential leisure cruising. We hope to allow some leisure cruising from June and will provide a further update setting out how and when you will be able to resume further leisure boating over the coming weeks.
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 13, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
From the C&RT's master communicator today: "From today, Weds 13 May 2020 - You may undertake short boating trips only from today – avoiding use of locks and any staff-operated structures if possible" . . . . .
. . . . which makes no sense at all, . . what better way is there of preventing C&RT's potentially infectious 'customers' from leaving their germs all over locks and moveable bridges than to have them using 'staff operated structures' while the boat crews stay aboard their plague ships ?! The pound I'm moored on is only 200m long. What fun. The navigable length of the river I'm moored on is around 95 miles, . . which is just as irrelevant as the length of the pound where you're moored. How does the length of a waterway affect the fact that boat crews cannot possibly spread infection by depositing their germs on 'staff operated structures' if they stay on board whilst the locks and bridges are operated by navigation authority staff ?
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Post by Boaty on May 13, 2020 18:09:40 GMT
The pound I'm moored on is only 200m long. What fun. The navigable length of the river I'm moored on is around 95 miles, . . which is just as irrelevant as the length of the pound where you're moored. How does the length of a waterway affect the fact that boat crews cannot possibly spread infection by depositing their germs on 'staff operated structures' if they stay on board whilst the locks and bridges are operated by navigation authority staff ? There was an interesting post earlier, not sure where now, that suggested boaters could be at risk when locking or going through some bridges in that people can be looking down on them. Sort of the sneezing gongoozler!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 18:11:36 GMT
The way I have read it is 1st june because I live aboard I can go boating on long trips, leisure boaters cant because they cant stay on the boat overnight, if that is right it will cause a fuss and of course unless something happens is very difficult to enforce That is not how I read it. Basically they seem to me to be saying that up until June it is essential travel only (so no change) but that from now leisure boaters can visit their boats to get them ready for June when it is hoped that non essential boating can recommence. I can find nothing that says leisure boaters cannot stay on their boats overnight. Extract follows: blah blah blah
'There are no restrictions on how far you can travel to get to the countryside. However you should not stay overnight. Campsites and caravan parks are closed and you cannot visit a holiday or second home.'
Updated from this morning...
Now if you still think you can legitimately stay on your boat overnight as a leisure boater, expect some disagreement or at least be told to shut the feck up and stop rocking the boat.
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 13, 2020 18:24:29 GMT
The navigable length of the river I'm moored on is around 95 miles, . . which is just as irrelevant as the length of the pound where you're moored. How does the length of a waterway affect the fact that boat crews cannot possibly spread infection by depositing their germs on 'staff operated structures' if they stay on board whilst the locks and bridges are operated by navigation authority staff ? There was an interesting post earlier, not sure where now, that suggested boaters could be at risk when locking or going through some bridges in that people can be looking down on them. Sort of the sneezing gongoozler! Which is another very good reason for restricting the access to towpaths and locksides to those who are actually paying a registration or licence fee to use the waterway, . . at least until there is either a generally available and proven vaccine for the Covid-19 virus, or it fizzles out of it's own accord in the same way as the 1918 'Spanish Flu' outbreak eventually did.
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Post by Boaty on May 13, 2020 18:27:14 GMT
That is not how I read it. Basically they seem to me to be saying that up until June it is essential travel only (so no change) but that from now leisure boaters can visit their boats to get them ready for June when it is hoped that non essential boating can recommence. I can find nothing that says leisure boaters cannot stay on their boats overnight. Extract follows: blah blah blah
'There are no restrictions on how far you can travel to get to the countryside. However you should not stay overnight. Campsites and caravan parks are closed and you cannot visit a holiday or second home.'
Updated from this morning...
Now if you still think you can legitimately stay on your boat overnight as a leisure boater, expect some disagreement or at least be told to shut the feck up and stop rocking the boat.
What is the point of a hostile response like that. For a start I never suggested anybody could or should stay overnight, secondly I am well aware of the Govt stance and indeed the Crt stance on this and finally I was referring to the wording in the EA announcement which seems to omit that requirement. I also included an extract from the EA announcement.
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