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Post by quaysider on May 27, 2020 9:14:58 GMT
hmm - I suppose I could try the mains fridge freezer on the existing inverter on power saving mode -... getting rid isn't an option - I have customer on so I really need a fridge full of fridgy things for a week for 4 people a lot of the time... The current one is only 90l fridge capacity.. I'm looking at replacements circa 150litres 240v fridge freezer here. I shopped for one that has a feature whereby it can keep food frozen for a period of power down. This one states 16hrs. So at night, it's shut down between 11pm-8am with no adverse effects to the contents. The previous unit was a 12v fridge freezer, just under a grand and lasted all of two years, as did the one before that. I'll never go 12v again. The one I have in mind (only 2 models will actually fit depth wise) also has a 16 hour freezer rating... I was half thinking that I might turn it off at midnight and then back on when I get up circa 7am without there being ad adverse effect - if the batteries were getting too low overnight . I ALSO thought about buying a smaller rated inverter and perhaps having it under the plinth in the kitchen but wired into the 40amp 12v feed I installed to the current fridge/freezer - having then thunk a bit more about it, I'd have to take into account the cable might not be up to the job ... so back to plan a
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Post by patty on May 27, 2020 11:51:54 GMT
240v fridge freezer here. I shopped for one that has a feature whereby it can keep food frozen for a period of power down. This one states 16hrs. So at night, it's shut down between 11pm-8am with no adverse effects to the contents. The previous unit was a 12v fridge freezer, just under a grand and lasted all of two years, as did the one before that. I'll never go 12v again. The one I have in mind (only 2 models will actually fit depth wise) also has a 16 hour freezer rating... I was half thinking that I might turn it off at midnight and then back on when I get up circa 7am without there being ad adverse effect - if the batteries were getting too low overnight . I ALSO thought about buying a smaller rated inverter and perhaps having it under the plinth in the kitchen but wired into the 40amp 12v feed I installed to the current fridge/freezer - having then thunk a bit more about it, I'd have to take into account the cable might not be up to the job ... so back to plan a Lots to consider before decision made.. Sons like that with van now..we research over n over before anything attempted..doubt we will finish it this year
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Post by airedaleman on May 27, 2020 14:05:39 GMT
When we brought the barge in Antwerp there was no fridge so being new to the continent we brought an Electrolux gas/24volt/230volt. Used it on gas when traveling and shore power when possible which turned out to be very often. Kept it for many years despite its poor performance until the door seals gave up. It was not possible to get seals only new door so out it went and a new 230 volt larder fridge was brought in France. It was A+ rated and it turned out that fridges sold in France still work well at higher ambient temperature than U.K. specified ones. We had a victron 3 kw 70 amp charger Combi which was on all the time and the new fridge caused no problems.. our battery bank was 440 amp hours at 24 volt. When we sold the barge the Victron was 12 years old so I think the initial outlay was well rewarded. In addition to the fridge we had an electric kettle, coffee maker, toaster, ice machine, sat tv, a Hoover , washing machine and spin dryer. We were lucky in that every few days when cruising we would be able to get shore power and if not we would run the genny whilst traveling to use the washing machine when it was heating the water up. As we had an air cooled lister genny we weren’t very popular if we ran in when moored but the 200 amps of solar changed the situation and we could stay moored for up to 5 days without running engine or genny. I would say get the best 240 volt fridge you can.
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Post by JohnV on May 27, 2020 15:31:27 GMT
but the 200 amps of solar changed the situation and we could stay moored for up to 5 days 200 amps Jeez that's 5 Kw of solar at 24 v
guess you mistyped .... and it was 200 watts of solar
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 18:47:54 GMT
240v fridge freezer here. I shopped for one that has a feature whereby it can keep food frozen for a period of power down. This one states 16hrs. So at night, it's shut down between 11pm-8am with no adverse effects to the contents. The previous unit was a 12v fridge freezer, just under a grand and lasted all of two years, as did the one before that. I'll never go 12v again. The one I have in mind (only 2 models will actually fit depth wise) also has a 16 hour freezer rating... I was half thinking that I might turn it off at midnight and then back on when I get up circa 7am without there being ad adverse effect - if the batteries were getting too low overnight . I ALSO thought about buying a smaller rated inverter and perhaps having it under the plinth in the kitchen but wired into the 40amp 12v feed I installed to the current fridge/freezer - having then thunk a bit more about it, I'd have to take into account the cable might not be up to the job ... so back to plan a Its not the cable that will give you the most problems, it will be the inverter. It will need to be over 1kw, as the start up current of a fridge is 10x its rated current. A few years ago when my 12v fridge gave up I tried and failed to find a cheap inverter that would reliably start my 230v fridge, all the modern high frequency ones just went straight to overload and shut down every time the fridge tried to start. In the end I just run it from the main inverter no problems.
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Post by airedaleman on May 28, 2020 11:17:35 GMT
but the 200 amps of solar changed the situation and we could stay moored for up to 5 days 200 amps Jeez that's 5 Kw of solar at 24 v
guess you mistyped .... and it was 200 watts of solar As I get older I get more confused but you are right we had 4 x100 watt panels wired to give 24 volts and controlled to 27.5 volts they worked really well.
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Post by quaysider on Jul 9, 2020 15:32:10 GMT
ao.com/product/hbd5515s-hotpoint-first-edition-fridge-freezer-silver-59185-28.aspxIn the end, it was a choice of only 7 that would fit "depth" wise... ergo, this one arrives on Wednesday to the marina - who are going to stick the 12v inlander fridge - freezer in their shop front with a for-sale sign on to flog it for me... First curtomer due on 17th so it'll be a trial run for the extra space/battery consumption.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 9, 2020 15:38:22 GMT
look forward to your follow up report
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Post by quaysider on Jul 15, 2020 18:13:15 GMT
WHAT a day - When both Hotpoint AND AO.com say the dimensions are 157 tall by 54 deep by 55 wide, you'd be fair in thinking it will fit. The reality is somewhat different - ergo, the depth measurement did NOT include the 3cm coolant thing on the back... WHAT a palava. Bearing in mind, it was raining, I'd already taken off the larder cupboard door and crew loo door to make it a bit easier... having taken said thing out of the packing outside in the rain to swap the door opening way around, THEN took the rear doors off to take it down the stairs, it soon became apparent it would not fit through the passage way. Only thing for it was to half lift it up then remove the doors , AND the lid to take the door bracket off - which of course needed a 7 mm spanner and my tool box was under the crew beds, under both doors . Luckily, Mal at the marina here isn't precious and loaned me some spanners. The whole thing took the best part of 3 hours fecking about to get in position.... with 2 dents in the doors as a result. Still, it is pretty cavernous in comparison to the old one so I may forgive it... it is staying now, WHATEVER it does to the batteries. AT one point we had firemen here testing out their hoses which at least did provide a distraction to the frustration.
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Post by patty on Jul 16, 2020 5:05:19 GMT
Looks good...
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Post by JohnV on Jul 16, 2020 16:20:45 GMT
does indeed
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Post by quaysider on Feb 3, 2021 20:26:45 GMT
UPDATE - I'm a pillock
No surprise there I hear some of you cry... TODAY... I just spotted that the replacement mains powered fridge freezer has a sticker on it about "fast freeze"... ergo, what I thought was just the ON switch in side it, is actually fast freeze - ergo, the reason it was unable to let the inverter switch on to power save mode was probably due to the fact a certain ginger idiot has had it on fast freeze for the past 6 months!
When I go out in a few days (to wigan to collect some new solar panels if I win the auction) I'll report back if it now goes on to power save mode... doh!
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Post by patty on Feb 3, 2021 23:12:01 GMT
UPDATE - I'm a pillock No surprise there I hear some of you cry... TODAY... I just spotted that the replacement mains powered fridge freezer has a sticker on it about "fast freeze"... ergo, what I thought was just the ON switch in side it, is actually fast freeze - ergo, the reason it was unable to let the inverter switch on to power save mode was probably due to the fact a certain ginger idiot has had it on fast freeze for the past 6 months! When I go out in a few days (to wigan to collect some new solar panels if I win the auction) I'll report back if it now goes on to power save mode... doh! oops...
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Post by peterboat on Feb 4, 2021 9:09:57 GMT
Wot Patty said^^^^^^
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Post by peterboat on Feb 4, 2021 9:11:59 GMT
UPDATE - I'm a pillock No surprise there I hear some of you cry... TODAY... I just spotted that the replacement mains powered fridge freezer has a sticker on it about "fast freeze"... ergo, what I thought was just the ON switch in side it, is actually fast freeze - ergo, the reason it was unable to let the inverter switch on to power save mode was probably due to the fact a certain ginger idiot has had it on fast freeze for the past 6 months! When I go out in a few days (to wigan to collect some new solar panels if I win the auction) I'll report back if it now goes on to power save mode... doh! Read thrice measure thrice saves one looking like a pillock later! Dont worry Mark we all do it
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