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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 15:37:19 GMT
Tip the pee in the hedge. It doesn't stink much, it's the mix of pee and poo that causes the foul stink. No dude. Pee stinks. Really bad. But in much the same way that the smell of your own farts are so much more offensive to others, so is the reek of your own effluence. Thus, mixing one's pee and poo with someone else's is the real culprit and especially that which is the product of the opposite sex. Male and female excreta have different components. And then warehousing it...jeez Louise. I once knew a vegetarian who would expound his theory of how vegetarian shit doesn't stink to anyone who would listen. The guy was wrong. So wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:05:00 GMT
I still think my "Out of Shite Out of Mind" fast freeze directional GPS guided mortar waste disposal system is quite a good idea.
I can do ideas but getting the product made is a real headache.
Fitting an air compressor for the mortar tube discharge is the least complicated part.
And calculating the distance achievable is basic back of envelope stuff.
Dry toilets are a crap idea.
I do realise that to relocate the frozen package to a distance where it will not cause any issues requires quite complicated freezing and forming for a nice tight fit in the tube. So to speak.
Also thinking of introducing a subscription service blocking the "OSOM" (say it fast enough it sounds like "awesome") unit so if you pay you don't receive a package in your back yard as the firmware will not allow it.
Could be a win-win situation. No need to separate anything. All the waste goes into the same former and is frozen for delivery to the tube which has up down side to side (directional) and pressure inlet settings.
Sit on it, set it and let it go.
Problem gone.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:19:18 GMT
Hello again gents- and this is something I've been digging into- no pun intended. I'm not a lover of facebook but there is a group who have lots of experience and opinion on all the popular models, including the simploo (which from what can gather, most of the users like): www.facebook.com/groups/compostingloos/Simploo also do a carbon filter for £35 so you don't have to drill exhaust holes in your hull: www.simploo.co.uk/product/active-carbon-filter-module/I found this one on ebay for around the same price as the simploo, but the 'internals' (i.e. the waste containers) seem more robust and better quality: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Handmade-Waterless-Composting-Toilet-ideal-for-campervan-motorhome-caravan-WHITE/264710151730?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649There are a number of youtube vlogs by users of these dry toilets, and most swear by them. There are a number of handy tips, e.g. The two lovely ladies from The Narroboat Experience channel add a few spoons of sugar to the urine bottle, which reduces the unpleasant odour a lot. They also use dried coconut coir, at a pound a pack from those cheap home good stores like 'Home Bargains'. One pack has about ten very compressed 'tiles' of coir, which when rehydrated is enough for several weeks worth of use. They bought the nature's head, but that is £900 plus, and my impression is that the cheaper ones are pretty functional, if not quite as good as the top models. I have to say, it's the first thing I'm going to do when I move aboard to be honest. The idea of visiting an elsan point every few days just seemed like such a pain (especially in winter with closures, freezing, etc), and these look like a great solution. Apparently the 'solids' become almost odorless after a few hours if lightly covered in sawdust, coir, or whatever, and most users find it very easy to deal with, and they appear to use normal biodegradable rubbish bags to transport their solids waste to a normal refuse collection point. I personally don't know how legal that method is, but 90% of them do it so it must be ok. Arguments rage over the ethics of dumping urine in a hedge vs finding an elsan point. On CWDF there are usually half a dozen people who descend on a thread about waterless/separating toilets and insist that the normal methods of disposal are illegal and/or immoral, and the whole idea is a ridiculous waste of time, so probably worth trading carefully if you ask for info there. Arguments will rage on about the ethics and legality of dumping urine in a hedge, so I'm not going to get into that discussion, but even if you insist on only using elsan points for urine disposal, you can always carry a few spare bottles and greatly extend the intervals between elsan visits- and also the disposal job will be a bit less unpleasant if its only urine, and if you've reduced its odour a fair bit. I can't really see a downside to be honest, and I'm a bit baffled as to why they aren't more common already.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:25:13 GMT
Thanks @tonyc .
I am actually quite happy with the Thetford cassette, but wanted to have a good look round before committing.
I see lots of boaters 'rinsing a bucket' in the canal every morning.
We use the loo exclusively and mostly have no problem finding elsans.
I have to say the 'dry toilet' idea of bagged waste going in rubbish skips is a little off putting to me ... could overcome this reservation if it's something I only need to do every two months or so.
I really need to chat with someone who's actually doing this.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:42:16 GMT
My only comment is, that it would be better to dispose of urine into the canal rather than a hedge - far more dilution will take place in the canal.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:45:11 GMT
Not at all, the very least I could is pass on what I've been able to dig up, after all the helpful advice I got from you chaps. But one thing I didn't mention was your main query- frequency of solids emptying. The thing is that because its going to into normal waste disposal in bin bags, emptying frequency its not so much of an issue anyway- and as awful as this sounds, if you were ever frozen in or trapped between two broken lock flights, unable to find an elsan and with a full solids container, there would be the option to just double/triple bag the solids waste and stick the bag in the cratch for a few days- assuming your cratch doesn't double as a conservatory, in which case that's a terrible idea. They all report that when mixed with sawdust and dried somewhat, the smell is genuinely minimal or zero, as unlikely as that sounds. These chaps quite liked theirs as well, and give a lot of detail: One thing I remember seeing is that if left alone for more than a few days, they can attract flies and you can come back to a totally fly-infested boat, I guess you just need to cover the thing up somehow, or leave it empty...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:51:31 GMT
My only comment is, that it would be better to dispose of urine into the canal rather than a hedge - far more dilution will take place in the canal. Too much urine in the cut may encourage vegetation and make navigation more problematic. I agree with throwing the piss in the water but I don't mind the weed. Some people do.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:53:51 GMT
Not at all, the very least I could is pass on what I've been able to dig up, after all the helpful advice I got from you chaps. But one thing I didn't mention was your main query- frequency of solids emptying. The thing is that because its going to into normal waste disposal in bin bags, emptying frequency its not so much of an issue anyway- Did I imagine it or has CRT specifically disallowed disposal of toilet waste in their bins? I know that it is legal to place bagged raw sewage or any other type of toilet waste into the domestic waste stream but I suspect a navigation authority can over-rule that and specify what they don't want in their own bins which are emptied by private contractors not local authority services.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:57:30 GMT
Not at all, the very least I could is pass on what I've been able to dig up, after all the helpful advice I got from you chaps. But one thing I didn't mention was your main query- frequency of solids emptying. The thing is that because its going to into normal waste disposal in bin bags, emptying frequency its not so much of an issue anyway- Did I imagine it or has CRT specifically disallowed disposal of toilet waste in their bins? I know that it is legal to place bagged raw sewage or any other type of toilet waste into the domestic waste stream but I suspect a navigation authority can over-rule that and specify what they don't want in their own bins which are emptied by private contractors not local authority services. Hope they give an exception for nappies - would hate to see a surplus in hedges....
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 17:01:31 GMT
Seems to be plenty of dog bags too ... shit's shit I suppose ... baby's, dog's or human.
Instinctively, flushing waste away at an elsan just seems the thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 17:11:20 GMT
Not at all, the very least I could is pass on what I've been able to dig up, after all the helpful advice I got from you chaps. But one thing I didn't mention was your main query- frequency of solids emptying. The thing is that because its going to into normal waste disposal in bin bags, emptying frequency its not so much of an issue anyway- Did I imagine it or has CRT specifically disallowed disposal of toilet waste in their bins? I know that it is legal to place bagged raw sewage or any other type of toilet waste into the domestic waste stream but I suspect a navigation authority can over-rule that and specify what they don't want in their own bins which are emptied by private contractors not local authority services. Yes.... well... this is roughly the point that things get a bit out of hand on the similar CWDF threads about composting toilets. I suspect that rule wasn't your imagination, but I honestly have no idea. I might trawl that facebook group for any info on the current CRT rules- they will know if anyone does. I dare not even ask on CWDF, I would be up all night fielding accusations about my moral standards, ancestry and God knows what else. Perhaps in a week when I know I haven't got much on... If there is a CRT rule against putting bags of semi-dessicated human waste into their bins , and if they ever start to try enforcing it (which as you can imagine involves some quite significant challenges), it might leave a lot of dry toilet users up a well known non-tidal creek without a paddle. Being the wild and reckless swashbuckler that I am, I'll probably take a punt on one of these toilets anyway and see what happens in the coming years. Btw, I'm slightly disappointed (and relieved) at the lack of punnery on subject matter like this. Rich pickings are to be had, one would have thought...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 17:14:16 GMT
Definitely some mixed messages on the crt webshite. --- As the waste from a composting toilet may not have enough time to decompose sufficiently on board the boat before it needs emptying, ***this waste will still need to be disposed at an Elsan/sanitary station***. With the increasing popularity of composting toilets, we are hoping to pilot a facility for solid waste from composting loos as part of the London Mooring Strategy but in the meantime liquids go into the Elsan unit and ***solids should be bagged in a nappy bag and placed in the domestic waste bins***. Please don’t dump liquid and solid waste on the towpath or into the water, knowing that it hasn’t composted properly. --- So the idea is that the person with the compost toilet is supposed to know the biology rather than just be keen to dispose of the products Why do I think it is the latter of the two which would tend to take precedence? From this web page canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/boating/boating-blogs-and-features/boating-team/game-of-thrones-boat-toilet-waste-disposalArse elbow situation?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 17:30:27 GMT
Definitely some mixed messages on the crt webshite. --- As the waste from a composting toilet may not have enough time to decompose sufficiently on board the boat before it needs emptying....... My understanding is that composting is a 6-9 month process and requires some warmth, so assuming the toilet has been used in the morning, and the contents are bagged and binned around lunchtime, it doesn't take an Alan Titchmarsh to determine that the waste will not be fully composted. Part of the waste material might be 4-8 weeks old and will have started to compost, but it will be variable. Hopefully they will introduce these new receptacles for part-composted waste. I do recall suggestions about keeping large tubs on the boat roof to allow further composting before disposal, but there is limited space. Perhaps CRT will be forced to hire a new team of compost inspectors to police the disposal of suspicious-looking bin bags? One can only hope the job would would pay well.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 17:33:20 GMT
I've seen a boat with what looked like large translucent yogurt pots with rotting shit stored on the stern deck. It was a cruiser style widebeam.
Interesting solution there. I imagine one has to keep a calendar or perhaps you can get an app for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 17:59:02 GMT
How do you hold it in position?
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