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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 21:20:18 GMT
Except that dog (and cat) shit contains an organism which, should you be unlucky enough to ingest it, can send you blind and insane. Watching dog owners accept licks on the face always gives me the shudders. When I was younger I used to be similarly horrified watching entire families being licked right on the chops by their enthusiastic and loving pooches (this was before I started living with hounds myself). I wanted to shout at them to be careful- to tell them they were all doomed, and were certain to die in agony. I felt like that crazed pastor in the film Zulu, who kept shouting "you're all going to die!" at the justifiably worried Welshmen and their officers. Except I shouted on the inside, obviously. And yet somehow they all survived- every man jack of them survived the deadly licking. I don't know how they survived- these germs are real, and dogs stomachs can handle them better than ours because of more acidity (or something). A decade later I was carelessly allowing my own dog a bite from a snack and then scoffing the rest of it myself without pause. There is something about being around these creatures that definitely lowers one's concerns about personal space, or food hygiene- or saliva. They do love a bit of saliva- on other people of course. Yes, a dog's digestive system can handle rotting flesh and faeces, which they sometimes gulp down seemingly with pleasure. This is as you say because canine stomach acid is much stronger than the human sort. But would you let a dog show you how pleased it was that you put such a tasty treat his or her way? I think you have to somehow ingest the organism itself and it wouldn't surprise me if a dog's saliva alone kills it. Still don't fancy it though. Compost toilets are a religion, not an option. Still, each to their own. A lot of boaters I knew would go for an early morning walk. Some to a coffee shop, some with a spade over their shoulder...
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Post by peterboat on May 21, 2020 23:11:34 GMT
Tes peterb, but we don't all want our salad fertilised organically, even if we had an allotmnt we visited every six weeks. Visit allotment daily and toilet get emptied every 2 months or so into big compost bin and then onto compost heap at allotment, it works and works well so I and many others will continue to do it. They also do it in Scotland where shit is spread on hay and heated up , then used as compost
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 23:13:49 GMT
CRTs own advice is to double bag and place in the bin. Until they change this advice I’ll continue to do so. Not according to their website. I don't know if you read it but they say that uncomposted solids should go in the Elsan disposal system not the bins. If it is composted then it goes in the bin... Can you see the problem here? Here it is again --- As the waste from a composting toilet may not have enough time to decompose sufficiently on board the boat before it needs emptying, ***this waste will still need to be disposed at an Elsan/sanitary station***. With the increasing popularity of composting toilets, we are hoping to pilot a facility for solid waste from composting loos as part of the London Mooring Strategy but in the meantime liquids go into the Elsan unit and ***solids should be bagged in a nappy bag and placed in the domestic waste bins***. Please don’t dump liquid and solid waste on the towpath or into the water, knowing that it hasn’t composted properly. --- I added the *** to emphasise sections I found relevant to the discussion.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 7:33:15 GMT
I think this thread is a perfect example of why this issue isn’t worth discussing on here. The two people that have used dry toilets for years and say they are okay are ignored and all the usual judgmental dogmatic bollocks is spouted by the usual idiots and it drowns out the actual practical experience people have with these toilets.Even the op who has Ostensibly asked a question to find out? Ignores the people with experience and just puppets the idiots.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:40:31 GMT
I suspect if everyone on boats started using dry toilets and bagged the waste and placed it in the CRT provided rubbish disposal bins problems would occur quite quickly. You might find the contractor who takes away the waste would become involved in a discussion about bins full of partly decomposed shit.
I have no doubt whatsoever that compost toilets are a Good Thing in some situations like if you have a bit of land but given the restraints of living on boats on inland waterways and relying on the provided disposal facilities the practicality is diminished somewhat.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 7:45:59 GMT
I suspect if everyone on boats started using dry toilets and bagged the waste and placed it in the CRT provided rubbish disposal bins problems would occur quite quickly. You might find the contractor who takes away the waste would become involved in a discussion about bins full of partly decomposed shit. I have no doubt whatsoever that compost toilets are a Good Thing in some situations like if you have a bit of land but given the restraints of living on boats on inland waterways and relying on the provided disposal facilities the practicality is diminished somewhat. This is deduced from practical experience is it? I mean you have used a dry toilet for a number of years haven’t you? No so it’s just your opinion that you have gained from reading the internet.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:47:56 GMT
I explained my interest, and will continue to enquire further ... perhaps not here. I know someone who has recently fitted a Simploo ... I will speak to them when next we meet as it was this sort of conversation I was hoping for. I know kris and peterboat do composting ... but I have made it clear that whilst cc'ing composting is not a consideration for me, and my enquiry was relating to 'dry toilets' not composting toilets. Thanks again @tonyc for some good stuff. I'll report back, no doubt in the autumn, which way we jumped. Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:50:30 GMT
This is a bit of a dead end discussion isn't it.
I guess anyone who has used one and found it unsatisfactory is "disappeared" by the Compost toilet mafia for dissent.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:51:46 GMT
I explained my interest, and will continue to enquire further ... perhaps not here. I know someone who has recently fitted a Simploo ... I will speak to them when next we meet as it was this sort of conversation I was hoping for. I know kris and peterboat do composting ... but I have made it clear that whilst cc'ing composting is not a consideration for me, and my enquiry was relating to 'dry toilets' not composting toilets. Thanks again @tonyc for some good stuff. I'll report back, no doubt in the autumn, which way we jumped. Rog Oh I see you meant the bagging ones like the Laveo. They look interesting but CRT seem to say no uncomposted toilet waste in their bins so you would have to use either public bins or dog shit bins. Doable but could get a bit awkward me thinks.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 7:53:24 GMT
This is a bit of a dead end discussion isn't it. I guess anyone who has used one and found it unsatisfactory is "disappeared" by the Compost toilet mafia for dissent. Twat. I think you’ve got it the wrong way round. The conservative porta poti Mafia, close down discussion of any alternative as they don’t want to admit their choice of loo might be shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:55:42 GMT
I'm not trying to close it down at all.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 7:55:58 GMT
I explained my interest, and will continue to enquire further ... perhaps not here. I know someone who has recently fitted a Simploo ... I will speak to them when next we meet as it was this sort of conversation I was hoping for. I know kris and peterboat do composting ... but I have made it clear that whilst cc'ing composting is not a consideration for me, and my enquiry was relating to 'dry toilets' not composting toilets. Thanks again @tonyc for some good stuff. I'll report back, no doubt in the autumn, which way we jumped. Rog That’s the way talk to people who actually have one.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 7:56:38 GMT
I quite like the idea of the incinerator ones. that seems to be a very sensible solution indeed.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 8:01:15 GMT
Like Rog I’ve noticed an increasing number boaters using the bucket and chuck it method. When I asked some about this, they didn’t see the issue with it. They did it because it’s exspensive to use the pump out. Well rather than see a rise in this kind of behaviour, I’d rather people used dry toilets and bagged and binned the contents. If crt pulled their finger out, they could have bins for this waste.
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2020 8:02:39 GMT
Except that dog (and cat) shit contains an organism which, should you be unlucky enough to ingest it, can send you blind and insane. Watching dog owners accept licks on the face always gives me the shudders. When I was younger I used to be similarly horrified watching entire families being licked right on the chops by their enthusiastic and loving pooches (this was before I started living with hounds myself). I wanted to shout at them to be careful- to tell them they were all doomed, and were certain to die in agony. I felt like that crazed pastor in the film Zulu, who kept shouting "you're all going to die!" at the justifiably worried Welshmen and their officers. Except I shouted on the inside, obviously. And yet somehow they all survived- every man jack of them survived the deadly licking. I don't know how they survived- these germs are real, and dogs stomachs can handle them better than ours because of more acidity (or something). A decade later I was carelessly allowing my own dog a bite from a snack and then scoffing the rest of it myself without pause. There is something about being around these creatures that definitely lowers one's concerns about personal space, or food hygiene- or saliva. They do love a bit of saliva- on other people of course. Kids brought up with animals have a stronger immune system, a wider range of gut flora.
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