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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 10:21:01 GMT
I was hoping to kris ... I thought some here would have gone that way, they're not uncommon these days, and to many, being waterless has appeal. I asked questions, I'm not responsible for how people respond ... it is apparent that @tonyc is seriously examining the method as am I. I remember when folks used to scoff at solar panels on boats ... times change and things move on (if you'll excuse the choice of words). Rog I can't find much from people who got rid of these dry toilets after trying them, but they are out there, and you're quite right to seek them out. In the interests of fairness I have to also post this one I did find, by a fairly well-known and very amusing London-based vlogger, who got rid of her dry toilet. And in the interests of promoting the Church of Separating Toilets, here is some more toilet propaganda. I am becoming the propaganda minister for composting toilets, but its all for your own good. The first 4 mins or so are about how to fit the thing, so maybe skip past that I would definitely ask any questions you have on that facebook group; they are mostly boaters, and they're always more than willing to talk toilets- up to and including some detailed discussion of anatomical details and tips for ensuring that the urine is actually separated during the 'deposition' process itself. I feel I shouldn't have, but somehow I had to it read it all
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 10:25:43 GMT
The difference is I’ve worked for them and met these characters personally. Given that how do you think/what are your thoughts on how CRT could deal with the rather serious matter of the DEFRA grant being stopped completely?
It is a serious question that I don't know the answer to. I might not like your answer but I am interested in it.
Maybe you should start a new thread for this ? But anyway why should the defra grant be stopped completely? The waterways network is part of the drainage and water management system for the whole country. ( just think of the Whaley bridge reservoir debacle,) So how can a government stop funding it? It is not just a leisure facility, as much as crt would like to pretend it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 10:32:13 GMT
Thanks @tonyc ... I think any consideration just ended with the London boat girl's frank film ... Jane was watching Actually a very fair assessment by her, blaming the defficiencies of her system, rather than the concept. Rog
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 10:32:22 GMT
I was hoping to kris ... I thought some here would have gone that way, they're not uncommon these days, and to many, being waterless has appeal. I asked questions, I'm not responsible for how people respond ... it is apparent that @tonyc is seriously examining the method as am I. I remember when folks used to scoff at solar panels on boats ... times change and things move on (if you'll excuse the choice of words). Rog I feel I shouldn't have, but somehow I had to it read it all After all of your exstensive research what are your thoughts about dry toilets?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 10:33:19 GMT
Given that how do you think/what are your thoughts on how CRT could deal with the rather serious matter of the DEFRA grant being stopped completely?
It is a serious question that I don't know the answer to. I might not like your answer but I am interested in it.
Maybe you should start a new thread for this ? But anyway why should the defra grant be stopped completely? The waterways network is part of the drainage and water management system for the whole country. ( just think of the Whaley bridge reservoir debacle,) So how can a government stop funding it? It is not just a leisure facility, as much as crt would like to pretend it is. If I understand correctly CRT get a fair bit of money for drainage and water management - if some of the DEFRA grant goes towards this it would be useful to know - CRTs accounts don't provide that level of detail.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 10:37:28 GMT
Maybe you should start a new thread for this ? But anyway why should the defra grant be stopped completely? The waterways network is part of the drainage and water management system for the whole country. ( just think of the Whaley bridge reservoir debacle,) So how can a government stop funding it? It is not just a leisure facility, as much as crt would like to pretend it is. If I understand correctly CRT get a fair bit of money for drainage and water management - if some of the DEFRA grant goes towards this it would be useful to know - CRTs accounts don't provide that level of detail. Crt’s accounts don’t provide the level of detail needed for close examination of anything. (How much did the friends scheme cost to run last year? Or how much to manage the volunteers?) I’d suggest there is a reason that crts accounting is as clear as mud.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 11:06:52 GMT
I think it's perfectly acceptable to wee in a bush (cough). If we stopped eating food and just drunk beer, we wouldn't produce any solids in the first place. Problem solved...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 11:56:04 GMT
I think it's perfectly acceptable to wee in a bush (cough). If we stopped eating food and just drunk beer, we wouldn't produce any solids in the first place. Problem solved... Do they still do that sort of beer? I thought it was obsolete. Maybe it is doable www.menshealth.com/weight-loss/a19532411/the-beer-diet/
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 12:10:32 GMT
I suspect if everyone on boats started using dry toilets and bagged the waste and placed it in the CRT provided rubbish disposal bins problems would occur quite quickly. You might find the contractor who takes away the waste would become involved in a discussion about bins full of partly decomposed shit. I have no doubt whatsoever that compost toilets are a Good Thing in some situations like if you have a bit of land but given the restraints of living on boats on inland waterways and relying on the provided disposal facilities the practicality is diminished somewhat. Here are the common reasons presented by proponents of the compost loo: 1. The system, managed by adding compostible materials to one's faeces, results in less smell. 2. The need to visit the elsan point is reduced or eliminated. 3. Its ecological, somehow. It's the last one that's the problem. Ok, visiting the elsan point is often an unpleasant activity. If I had to do it I'd wear my drysuit so I could be hosed off afterwards. I suppose that if your poo was in a paper bag and no disinfectant had been used then a possibility would be to dig a hole and bury it (supposing you were somewhere rural). Incidentally what's un-eco about adding your poo to a sewage treatment system? But face it - its not about being eco, its about convenience and getting rid of it. Once it's gone it's S.E.P. So socially responsible... It seems the elsan points in London are continually blocked by the contents of a compost loo. Everybody moans but the poopertrators are actually doing what they are told to by CRT... You could triple-bag it to ensure the waste disposal people don't get a nasty shock after you left it in a bin somewhere but the bags you used are plastic...oh yes they were...be honest, the carrier bag ban presented an issue, didn't it? In the DPRK there was once a very serious famine which was a direct result of the collapse of the USSR. During this time, human faeces was sold at market as fertiliser because there was nothing else available (and even that was in short supply because there was not much to eat). So given the impending economic meltdown, if you have a compost toilet you could be sitting on a fortune...
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 12:12:27 GMT
I feel I shouldn't have, but somehow I had to it read it all After all of your exstensive research what are your thoughts about dry toilets? I'm absolutely determined to get a dry toilet installed as the first thing I do when I get my boat- which I'm hoping will happen in August. I've found cassettes really unpleasant to deal with in the past- and it might be that the proper chemicals could resolve that. But ultimately, anything that can free me from having to visit an elsan point or public toilet every 4-7 days, let me stay in a quiet rural mooring for a week or two at a time, and costs about £300 is a must-have. Its odd though, how people can look at the pros and cons, and make exactly the opposite decision. Jt's the off-grid capability that also impressed me about the idea of filtering canal water. All I have to do is not look at the canal, ever ;-)
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 12:14:05 GMT
Excreta being throne in a bin does seem a real waste.
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Post by patty on May 22, 2020 12:16:29 GMT
Excreta being throne in a bin does seem a real waste. Thrown
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2020 12:18:25 GMT
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2020 12:19:41 GMT
Excreta being throne in a bin does seem a real waste. Thrown I suspect that's an attempt at word play by the apprentice, given the topic.
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Post by kris on May 22, 2020 12:22:22 GMT
After all of your exstensive research what are your thoughts about dry toilets? I'm absolutely determined to get a dry toilet installed as the first thing I do when I get my boat- which I'm hoping will happen in August. I've found cassettes really unpleasant to deal with in the past- and it might be that the proper chemicals could resolve that. But ultimately, anything that can free me from having to visit an elsan point or public toilet every 4-7 days, let me stay in a quiet rural mooring for a week or two at a time, and costs about £300 is a must-have. Its odd though, how people can look at the pros and cons, and make exactly the opposite decision. Jt's the off-grid capability that also impressed me about the idea of filtering canal water. All I have to do is not look at the canal, ever ;-) Dry toilets are the way to go. If your handy I’d suggest buying the bits and building one yourself. It’s the separator that’s exspensive for what they are. What ever size your “bucket” is if you can arrange storage for four then the time between emptying is huge. It can be an issue to remember to empty the pee container so I just set one day a week to do that. Rinsing this with vinegar keeps the smell down. The seat and lid want to be close fitting, with no air gaps. This keeps the smell down and also stops fly infestations. You need a storage space near the toilet for you coverage medium. I just use the small pet bedding from somewhere like home bargains. One pack lasts about 6-8weeks. It seems extravagant to import coco coir just to throw on my shit. Anyway good luck with it, if you put the effort in and make a system that suits you. Your never going to regret it.
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