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Post by Clinton Cool on May 22, 2020 8:59:02 GMT
As I said ... the world isn't like that and we all have to learn how to deal with the reality. And to compare USSR 's corrupt and vicious regime to my 'dream society' suggests you need to read more Rog I agree that the regime there was vicious and corrupt but the principles they aspired to weren't dissimilar to your dream society. Perhaps human nature is such that while many (most?) people are happy to help people at a more local level and will do so willingly, instinctively, without the need to be forced to do so, the notions of one nation/ one continent/ one world are so alien to human nature that they can only be achieved by force and associated violence.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 9:04:40 GMT
We'll never know I guess, because those who 'have' will never let it happen ... so a dream is all it can ever be innit Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 9:11:08 GMT
More than 50% of the country receive more tax money than they pay in, legally, without doing any cash jobs. Reference please? Not saying you’re wrong BTW.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 22, 2020 9:23:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 9:43:42 GMT
No. I’m not subscribing to the Telegraph. Anyway, are you taking into account tax which isn’t being paid by those using off shore accounts and foreign businesses who pay little into the pot? The other point is that key workers contribute a lot more than just tax! When the shit hits the fan, it’s not about money, it’s about DOING stuff.
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Post by JohnV on May 22, 2020 11:07:54 GMT
Don't start making out keyworkers as saints !!!
The population has responded, generally, in a very fine way in response to this crisis but don't lets get carried away. Key workers are a group of ordinary people, not special, just the ordinary "man(or woman) on the Clapham omnibus" neither saints or sinners just a cross section of ordinary people
There is a tendency to put health workers on a pedestal at the moment but to balance that it is worth remembering that theft (often involving staff) costs the NHS 1.3 billion a year and the total loss by fraud is some 3 billion a year
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 11:21:50 GMT
Don't start making out keyworkers as saints !!! Key workers are a group of ordinary people, not special.... They are special when they are DOING things to keep us provided with food, water, maintained shelter and keep us in good health. Money isn't real, it's a man made concept. You can't drink it, eat it, build a house with it or make someone better with it. You can however use money to get a key worker to do it for you.
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 22, 2020 11:28:57 GMT
Don't start making out keyworkers as saints !!! The population has responded, generally, in a very fine way in response to this crisis but don't lets get carried away. Key workers are a group of ordinary people, not special, just the ordinary "man(or woman) on the Clapham omnibus" neither saints or sinners just a cross section of ordinary people There is a tendency to put health workers on a pedestal at the moment but to balance that it is worth remembering that theft (often involving staff) costs the NHS 1.3 billion a year and the total loss by fraud is some 3 billion a year They aren't saints but they are already held to be more worthy than the general population. Give it a bit of time, groups currently held to be mere mortals will be making furious claims that they should be 'promoted'; to seen as 'key'. Bitter acrimony will follow and yet another divide will be created across these islands we live on.
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Post by Andyberg on May 22, 2020 11:34:13 GMT
Don't start making out keyworkers as saints !!! The population has responded, generally, in a very fine way in response to this crisis but don't lets get carried away. Key workers are a group of ordinary people, not special, just the ordinary "man(or woman) on the Clapham omnibus" neither saints or sinners just a cross section of ordinary people There is a tendency to put health workers on a pedestal at the moment but to balance that it is worth remembering that theft (often involving staff) costs the NHS 1.3 billion a year and the total loss by fraud is some 3 billion a year Give it a bit of time, groups currently held to be mere mortals will be making furious claims that they should be 'promoted'; to seen as 'key'. We’ve already seen it numerous times on here by our very own ‘need to be important’ immigrant bus driver!🙄
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 11:37:24 GMT
Don't start making out keyworkers as saints !!! The population has responded, generally, in a very fine way in response to this crisis but don't lets get carried away. Key workers are a group of ordinary people, not special, just the ordinary "man(or woman) on the Clapham omnibus" neither saints or sinners just a cross section of ordinary people There is a tendency to put health workers on a pedestal at the moment but to balance that it is worth remembering that theft (often involving staff) costs the NHS 1.3 billion a year and the total loss by fraud is some 3 billion a year They aren't saints but they are already held to be more worthy than the general population. Give it a bit of time, groups currently held to be mere mortals will be making furious claims that they should be 'promoted'; to seen as 'key'. Bitter acrimony will follow and yet another divide will be created across these islands we live on. I think you are right about the 'divide' which may get created by the term 'key worker' . When I was working for a big company many years ago they started using the term 'key worker' to highlight those who were valued the most by the directors. They kept their jobs and got the pay rises. Can't see the current use if the term 'key worker resulting in the same now though. Yes, words can be used in a sinister way, as can money. Interestingly some of the 'key workers' I've met over the last couple of months say they aren't just doing it for the money. They want to give something back to society. Let's not forget that many key workers are volunteers .
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 22, 2020 11:53:55 GMT
The order of events:
1/ Very shortly, within days or weeks the likes of supermarket workers from overseas, who still have to pay the NHS supplement will say they, as key workers, should also have the fee waived. Not to do so would be discrimination. Labour will get onto the case and the government will submit, within days.
2/ Other groups of workers from overseas not currently considered key will claim discrimination. The government, not wishing to be rumbled about the fact that they have deliberately created this divide (divide and conquer) will deny it exists and therefore submit, prompted of course, by Labour.
So, within 2 months the NHS additional fee for non EU workers will be scrapped in its entirety, it being judged as being discriminatory, the discrimination only being possible because of the creation of the new measure of worthiness, it being based on what your job is.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 11:59:43 GMT
Yah for Labour!
Yes I know I'm being a twat but so is Ricco!
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Post by Clinton Cool on May 22, 2020 12:04:45 GMT
We'll just have to see if my prediction comes true, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 12:49:56 GMT
The order of events: 1/ Very shortly, within days or weeks the likes of supermarket workers from overseas, who still have to pay the NHS supplement will say they, as key workers, should also have the fee waived. Not to do so would be discrimination. Labour will get onto the case and the government will submit, within days. 2/ Other groups of workers from overseas not currently considered key will claim discrimination. The government, not wishing to be rumbled about the fact that they have deliberately created this divide (divide and conquer) will deny it exists and therefore submit, prompted of course, by Labour. So, within 2 months the NHS additional fee for non EU workers will be scrapped in its entirety, it being judged as being discriminatory, the discrimination only being possible because of the creation of the new measure of worthiness, it being based on what your job is. Sadly our pensions, investments rely on such people. I was chatting to Chris about this earlier. As two people on a very small pension (well Chris is also on state pension now) I was saying I feel guilty that I'm receiving a small amount of pension money but not DOING much as far as giving back to society. I've always regarded her job as a primary school teacher for 37 years as a 'key' job. However my job working in security (defence) I've never really seen that as a 'key' job. Maybe I should, but it never felt that way. In hindsight I would have lived on a boat in my early 20s (nearly did) and just made a humble living from music. Then I'd be feeling even more guilty now!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 12:59:28 GMT
Some of you are so bitter and twisted, I wonder how you survive the world you see.
Many work in nursing, teaching, social care etc. out of genuine desire to make a contribution ... a vocation if you wish ... certainly not as being the 'cushiest' or 'best paid' job they could pursue.
The 'clap for carers' routine was started by the public on social media, and rather like Sir Tom, has been 'used' by many vested interests for their own purposes. Don't damn the individuals involved because of that.
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