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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 16:53:44 GMT
I have to say I wasn't bothered by waves or boat movements, but the tipping over thing was a bit of an issue- but easily solved by a transverse bed I would think Have you considered a tent? There are lots of places beside the canals suitable for pitching a tent. We have often seen such little spots and thought "If we had visitors, this would be a great place to put the tent up" - either for us or our visitors. Sadly, we never have visitors. Actually, we did in 2016, two Japanese friends of ours; they slept in the boat and we slept in our car (car moved each day to boat's new location). There is a point here that I had been thinking about, which was how much effort and space should I devote to guest accommodation. A few friends at work and family members have suddenly become boating enthusiasts and expressed an interest in visiting once I'm settled in, so it looks as if I should have a dedicated bedroom (I was happy to have a lounge/bedroom combined if living alone). The 38-44 footers I've seen don't physically have enough room for the big lounge I want plus a bedroom, so I've kind of dropped those from my thinking, and am only looking at 50ft plus- and I'm doing that mostly for the sake of visitors. One big benefit a bigger boat would have though is that if ever I got into a relationship and my partner moves aboard, it wouldnt feel as cramped.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 16:57:58 GMT
Tipping does happen if water levels adjust overnight and the boat becomes aground. I'm certain I'm not the only person that's had to go out at 3am to push the stern out so it floats Rog I'm never at my best mentally when sleep-deprived, and after two nights of being squashed against a cold hull I was about ready to push the stern of my girlfriend out. Except she would have stabbed me to tiny pieces, obvs
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 16:59:51 GMT
I expect someone will want to disagree but...its a fact that a 50ft boat has a higher theoretical hull speed than one half its length. I couldn't tell you why, but I'm positive at least one forumite can. However in a way that I also can't explain with some algorithm, from experience I can say with confidence that a 50ft narrowboat will have greater stability than one half its size. Perhaps this is simply due to weight; a 50ft boat will have likely close to twice as much ballast. I think there's more to it than just displacement though.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 17:11:01 GMT
I expect someone will want to disagree but...its a fact that a 50ft boat has a higher theoretical hull speed than one half its length. I couldn't tell you why, but I'm positive at least one forumite can. However in a way that I also can't explain with some algorithm, from experience I can say with confidence that a 50ft narrowboat will have greater stability than one half its size. Perhaps this is simply due to weight; a 50ft boat will have likely close to twice as much ballast. I think there's more to it than just displacement though. I think you used the word algorithm in there somewhere, which is more than scientific enough to convince me. You never hear people talk about their boats tipping or rocking at night (one for the punsters there, I feel), so it had to be something I was doing (i.e. mooring too close in, so it was slightly aground to start with). Plus maybe the boat was on the smaller side- less mass in it, so less inertia(?), so less effort needed to make it tip over. I'd consider a transverse bed though, in case I was slightly aground in the future- at least I could get some sleep without 12 stone of lady pressing me against the hull. Which probably sounds a lot more fun than I remember it being
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 17:15:47 GMT
Height of people trying to sleep is the main issue when it comes to cross beds. If you and the mrs are short go for it, if not ask further questions.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 17:21:03 GMT
Height of people trying to sleep is the main issue when it comes to cross beds. If you and the mrs are short go for it, if not ask further questions. There have been very few times in my life when being a 5ft 8 short-arse (to use the anatomical terminology) has been a useful thing, but it seems I have finally stumbled across a positive. I can fit in a transverse bed. I feel some sort of celebration is in order, if I could only reach the drinks cabinet
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 17:42:50 GMT
Also, correct trim should always be a consideration.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 22, 2020 18:10:46 GMT
The Life of Pie.
Thinking of which, next time Nigerian scammers ask me for my PIN code to my bank account I'm going to tell them it is the last four digits of Pi.
(off to watch Grantchester, laters dahlings!)
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 19:08:09 GMT
Also, correct trim should always be a consideration. Yes, I think this was a little after we passed hawkesbury junction- the boat appears slightly smaller than I recall, but the pie is certainly to scale, so it could be a perspective issue
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2020 19:29:03 GMT
Having started in a Dawncraft 22, that was very "tender" and moved lots. Now we are in 35ft, draws .5m, it's better but still moves a bit. We have a cross bed near the bows, I can see that if lengthways to one side it would have the effect you describe @tonyc. I also built a single bed, using one seat and the folding base board from the caravan top bunk, for if we ever need it. Not that we've told anbody, grandspawn etc that we have the option. As for Mr Stabby and his expertise, most of the menage* weigh nowt. *@magnetman can you put the squiggles in the right place for us? Ta.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 19:31:29 GMT
The tippy boat thing was a problem when it became common for narrow boats to have steel cabins rather than wooden ones.
My first narrow boat which was a 32ft Hancock and Lane "Marlin" was an all steel boat and quite tippy. I went on other similar boats from the 70s with wooden tops and it was noticeable how much more stable they were.
I guess it took a while to work it out and get the ballasting right.
That plus thin base plates and a desire to have decent headroom inside..
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 19:33:07 GMT
Having started in a Dawncraft 22, that was very "tender" and moved lots. Now we are in 35ft, draws .5m, it's better but still moves a bit. We have a cross bed near the bows, I can see that if lengthways to one side it would have the effect uou describe @tonyc. As for Mr Stabby and his expertise, most of the menage* weigh nowt. *@magnetman can you put the squiggles in the right place for us? Ta. ménage
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2020 19:50:44 GMT
Having started in a Dawncraft 22, that was very "tender" and moved lots. Now we are in 35ft, draws .5m, it's better but still moves a bit. We have a cross bed near the bows, I can see that if lengthways to one side it would have the effect uou describe @tonyc. As for Mr Stabby and his expertise, most of the menage* weigh nowt. *@magnetman can you put the squiggles in the right place for us? Ta. ménage Thanks. How would we ménage without you.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 19:53:42 GMT
Edit for grammatical errors.
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Post by Jim on May 22, 2020 20:07:12 GMT
When we did our first trips in the cabin cruiser we found we got what we called "sea legs" when ashore. The floors in shops would start to move. Disconcerting.
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