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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:32:15 GMT
I read that based on antibody testing so far, it is estimated that around 7% have had the virus ... a long way to go to reach 60% plus for effective herd immunity.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:45:09 GMT
I read that based on antibody testing so far, it is estimated that around 7% have had the virus ... a long way to go to reach 60% plus for effective herd immunity. Rog 7% of whom? Where did you read that? There have been much higher estimates than that (even 50% banded around a while back) and the estimates in cities tend to be much larger. The fact is that nobody really knows yet because there hasn't been enough testing yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 9:57:36 GMT
Around 7% of the UK population are estimated to have had the virus ... based on a controlled sample of antibody tests and projecting the results for the whole UK.
It was contained in a BBC news report ... can't recall which one I read a lot of them.
As a reliable antibody test has only become available this month, it is not surprising that complete data is not yet available.
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Post by greenman on May 31, 2020 10:26:29 GMT
Just been back to look at a news report from May.
A Paris A&E did a retest of the blood samples of 24 pneumonia admissions from December and found that one of the patients had in fact been suffering from COVID. Which makes me wonder. How many of us were infected before this hit the headlines. Is what we've just been through the second wave of the virus and not the first
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Post by bodger on May 31, 2020 11:01:50 GMT
A Paris A&E did a retest of 24 pneumonia admissions from December and found that one of the patients had in fact been suffering from COVID. how does that work then?
if he now has antibodies in his system, how do they know they are the result of an infection in December and not much more recently?
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Post by bodger on May 31, 2020 11:05:51 GMT
In relation to Sweden, surely the death rate doesn't tell the full story (as sad as each death is to the families). The detail of what age range is most affected will be more significant than mere numbers. Rog I was listening to a Professor talking on the radio last week. He was saying that when things have calmed down then the medical profession needs to take a step back and study the figures. He's of the belief that there needs to be two separate figures, those who were apparently healthy and died from COVID, and those who died from COVID but would probably have died from the flu or pneumonia anyway. He says only once you've done that can you assess the true effect of the virus. Quite an in your face comment, but thinking about it he's right. nothing new there then !!
the same thing was being discussed in February when this all kicked off.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 11:08:48 GMT
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Post by greenman on May 31, 2020 11:11:14 GMT
A Paris A&E did a retest of 24 pneumonia admissions from December and found that one of the patients had in fact been suffering from COVID. how does that work then?
if he now has antibodies in his system, how do they know they are the result of an infection in December and not much more recently?
Should have read, retest of the blood samples. Now edited for your reading pleasure.
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Post by bodger on May 31, 2020 11:27:16 GMT
how does that work then?
if he now has antibodies in his system, how do they know they are the result of an infection in December and not much more recently?
Should have read, retest of the blood samples. Now edited for your reading pleasure. that's better !!
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Post by greenman on May 31, 2020 11:29:23 GMT
Should have read, retest of the blood samples. Now edited for your reading pleasure. that's better !! Thank you Sir.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 31, 2020 11:49:20 GMT
My worry is that life will never again be as we knew it-not in our lifetime.I find that really depressing as I enjoyed my freedom to go where I wanted,how I wanted & when I wanted.I don't want to be told how to live my life.Yes,I understand the theory but I want to live/enjoy & not just exist.How on earth did the country get back to normal after the Spanish flu epidemic significantly reduce our energy consumption and subsequent pollution then we've got a chance. If as a result of this we become less selfish Is Elon Musk reducing energy consumption by sending wealthy, selfish tourists into Space?
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Post by patty on May 31, 2020 12:00:09 GMT
Every country's time frame is different. To compare on any given day makes headlines but no sense. True, which is why I mentioned that I think the jury is still out on Sweden. The final analysis is a long time away..I would be interested in the breakdown country by country but I would want all the facts so i could suss out for myself the probabilities. Thing is we don't get accurate data from all countries so for me they'd always be that ?
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Post by bodger on May 31, 2020 15:13:28 GMT
significantly reduce our energy consumption and subsequent pollution then we've got a chance. If as a result of this we become less selfish Is Elon Musk reducing energy consumption by sending wealthy, selfish tourists into Space? you decide.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 15:26:37 GMT
True, which is why I mentioned that I think the jury is still out on Sweden. The final analysis is a long time away..I would be interested in the breakdown country by country but I would want all the facts so i could suss out for myself the probabilities. Thing is we don't get accurate data from all countries so for me they'd always be that ? You are unlikely to ever get all the facts in the same way for different countries. There are many details available that can be cross checked by using multiple sources though, these start to build a picture especially within groups of countries that share many of the same (very roughly) social/economic/geographical traits. This still only gives an indication of choices and outcomes to date though.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 15:40:25 GMT
I was listening to a Professor talking on the radio last week. He was saying that when things have calmed down then the medical profession needs to take a step back and study the figures. He's of the belief that there needs to be two separate figures, those who were apparently healthy and died from COVID, and those who died from COVID but would probably have died from the flu or pneumonia anyway. He says only once you've done that can you assess the true effect of the virus. Quite an in your face comment, but thinking about it he's right. The additional number of deaths over and above the norm tells a story, however it's not clear how much the psychological effects come into play. The study I found on the NHS site a while back pretty much proves that stress and anxiety can double the chances of dying. What's more is that the longer reaching psychological effects of lock down to the economy may live with us for many years after the virus has died out. That tends to affect the poor more. It will be interesting to see the results from the random anti body testing. That way we can finally see how many people might have immunity. The R0 number is pretty meaningless at the moment without that data. In the Observer today there was a couple (doctors) one who deveoped symptoms and one who didnt.The one who had no symptons tested positive over the same period as her husband however after he was well again they had antibody tests and he had antbodies present whereas she had no antibodies present so it looks like antibody testing may be a waste of time since with no antibodies present its assumed you haven't had it.
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