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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 11:18:54 GMT
Buy Loddon's boat! There is a 15% discount for Thunderboat members. Thanks for the tip Mr Fox, and I have no doubt whatsoever it will be a first class boat, but I'm looking for something a bit newer, and in the range of 40-50k if I can. If I really push the boat out (pun partly intended) and go up to 65k or more, I might get something just a few years old, very few engine hoours, and everything still in near-mint condition.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 11:25:22 GMT
Thanks Loddon- it feels for me as if it is an either/or situation, as I would want to spend 50% of my time living in each if I had both- and having one of them sat there for 6 months in every year seems wasteful. So it would be a boat for a few years, then (maybe) move into a motorhome. I must say I never 'did the numbers' on the two options in a detailed way. My guess is that as a full time living option, they vary wildly depending on how big you spend. For example, I remember at one point casting envious eyes at 60 grand A class motorhomes, but at that price level you will lose a shedload of money very quickly, and after a 20 year ownership it probably wont fetch more than 10k. Clearly in that case the numbers are going to be bad, but those buy them can afford it and are ok with that. Its certainly an eye opened to see the boat running costs are so much greater than the van- although as a full time living option, the van would start to get dearer, if you added in a month's stay at a CL here and there? I deliberately excluded costs when out and about as I class them as day to day living. As for the boat costs I have, as we are trying to get there, included the cost of a repaint, £10k which is roughly every 10 years. Yes it can be DIY but I don't do painting....... It does help that we don't live on board any more so both are just recreational cost plays a far bigger part. As for motorhome v caravan, much as I love RVs I wouldn't have one as you are tied to wherever you stop whereas with a caravan you can go off in the car to "explore ". Thanks Loddon- the motorhome vs caravan discussion is one I remember having, and there is an awful lot in favour of caravans, there really is. But what finally tipped it for me was the fact that in a caravan you are very dependent on finding a site, whereas in a motorhome if you were delayed, plans changed etc, you always have the option to find a quiet spot and just park up for the night, without having to collect water and set up the caravan systems, levelling legs etc. It also means in the (admittedly very unlikely) event of a problem, in a motorhome you can simply drive off without leaving your vehicle.
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Post by JohnV on May 29, 2020 11:27:56 GMT
£10K for a repaint ....... aaaaaarrrggh shiny boater alert !!!
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Post by kris on May 29, 2020 11:32:20 GMT
£10K for a repaint ....... aaaaaarrrggh shiny boater alert !!! it’s okay John I think he made a mistake and put on two extra noughts?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 11:36:28 GMT
Further to kris 's good point ... we've spent a week in major cities on the boat, including London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool without problem other than the general noise ... don't think you could stay very long in Paddington for example, in a road vehicle. But it's personal preference in the final analysis. Rog Rog, not to contradict or anything because I think you are basically right here, but I would add that there are many people who 'wild camp' in towns and cities, albeit usually in less recognisable (more stealthy) van conversions. You wont be able to park in a city centre for a few night- or at least you wont want to, because you will get noise and probably some hassle- but its not too difficult to find places a little way out that will be ok for a night. There are even apps that you can use to find such places more quickly. I think even in the outer environs of London its never going to be easy to find safe and quiet parking for a 6 metre vehicle, but its not impossible. Yet. But that said, a boat allows you to get right into the city centre, often in a secure gated mooring, and go on foot to local places of interest, pubs or whatever. I will say, having grown up in Liverpool, that the northern areas through which you have to cruise to get down to the Albert Dock marina are a tad dodgy at times. You probably wouldnt be attacked or anything- certainly in daytime- but you might feel a bit uncomfortable if there are gangs of young scrotes hanging about while you do locks etc. I'm sure the same thing goes for making approaches to a number of towns and cities, although once you're in, what better base could you have than your own boat?
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Post by patty on May 29, 2020 11:59:16 GMT
Son has this app on his phone that gives him nearest location to park his white van overnight..we r still converting it, its an ongoing project....
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Post by JohnV on May 29, 2020 12:04:57 GMT
Further to kris 's good point ... we've spent a week in major cities on the boat, including London, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool without problem other than the general noise ... don't think you could stay very long in Paddington for example, in a road vehicle. But it's personal preference in the final analysis. Rog I will say, having grown up in Liverpool, that the northern areas through which you have to cruise to get down to the Albert Dock marina are a tad dodgy at times. Northern bits dodgy ..... used to dock in the old Herculaneum drydock, Dingle on the edge of Toxteth ..... now that was a seriously dodgy area
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 12:36:17 GMT
I will say, having grown up in Liverpool, that the northern areas through which you have to cruise to get down to the Albert Dock marina are a tad dodgy at times. Northern bits dodgy ..... used to dock in the old Herculaneum drydock, Dingle on the edge of Toxteth ..... now that was a seriously dodgy area I was actually born in Toxteth, a fact from which I derive an enormous amount of ill-deserved 'street cred', and one which regularly horrified NHS middle-management colleagues- to my unending amusement of course. But that was in the sixties, before things got a bit tasty. I've seen enough to know that all of our major towns and cities are infested with antisocial elements and cultures that make them sometimes very dangerous places. I don't want to blame these kids for being made into what they are today by their environments- but the fact remains that they are a major problem that needs attention. And I did wonder about whether these antisocial 'elements' spent much- if any- of their time on the hallowed ground of the CRT.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 12:41:17 GMT
Son has this app on his phone that gives him nearest location to park his white van overnight..we r still converting it, its an ongoing project.... For thousands of UK people young and old, vehicles have become their home- whether through homelessness, necessity/lack of funds, or just a liking for being mobile. Vanlife has become an entire movement, a culture of its own.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 12:42:09 GMT
And I did wonder about whether these antisocial 'elements' spent much- if any- of their time on the hallowed ground of the CRT. Ever since Mr Stabby explained on here how he would eviscerate any scrotes who put his sons in danger with a very large and sharp knife they seem to have gone away.
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Post by kris on May 29, 2020 12:53:41 GMT
And I did wonder about whether these antisocial 'elements' spent much- if any- of their time on the hallowed ground of the CRT. Ever since Mr Stabby explained on here how he would eviscerate any scrotes who put his sons in danger with a very large and sharp knife they seem to have gone away. it was that famous picture of him brandishing his weapon in a menacing fashion, that scared them away.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:00:28 GMT
£10K for a repaint ....... aaaaaarrrggh shiny boater alert !!! Not shiny at the moment! I will add that the repaint is not just slapping a few coats of paint on top of what is there, its sandblast back to bare metal with all windows, hatches, portholes, vents removed then multi coats of primer, undercoat and topcoat. In other words its a proper job or it will be if I ever get there.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:36:32 GMT
And I did wonder about whether these antisocial 'elements' spent much- if any- of their time on the hallowed ground of the CRT. Ever since Mr Stabby explained on here how he would eviscerate any scrotes who put his sons in danger with a very large and sharp knife they seem to have gone away. I must confess that after an attempted 3am break-in to try to steal my car in the mid-noughties, I rather foolishly purchased a large knife, with the ridiculous idea that it might be a last-ditch self defence option in case there was a future break-in and it went feral somehow, e.g. the intruders got carried away and wanted blood in addition to the car. There had been an elderly gentleman living nearby who was critically injured by stabbing a week or so before, and it was theorised that the same two young scrotes were responsible. I called the police just as the banging on my door stopped, and explained to the police person that I heard my door being kicked in, but that it was too dark to see if it was now open, and if the would-be intruders had become actual intruders. I was advised by the operator to go downstairs and take a look for myself, before they decided whether to send a patrol car over. I explained as politely as possible that I felt the young lady's advice was not entirely consistent with my personal objective of remaining stab-free for the remainder of the night. Crouching at the top of the stairs, I explained my deductive reasoning in a stage whisper- that for two men to be quite so loud, so bold and so persistent in trying to break into a clearly occupied house, there was a very good chance that they were armed, with knives at the very least. The lady did not share my concerns in the slightest. Losing my temper somewhat, I asked whether my screams would provide enough motivation for them to send a patrol car, and crept down the stairs. The door was intact and I remained happily unstabbed, but not, I felt, thanks to any efforts of our noble constabulary. Minutes later a patrol car arrived anyway, summoned by somebody across the street who heard the commotion, who manged to speak to a less sceptical operator perhaps. But the incident left me feeling that some sort of last-ditch weapon was required. Not that I had any intentions of charging downstairs at the slightest sound to indulge in any 'three musketeers' style heroic swordplay. My thinking was that if any scrotes broke in, the safest thing to do was always to let them take what they wanted, if they were armed. But if I encountered that one in a million nutcase who just got his blood up a bit in the excitement and went for me anyway, I would have some visible means of deterrent. I got rid of the thing ages ago, but I have occasionally wondered about that million-to-one scenario of an intruder who does not want to steal, but rather to harm.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:38:00 GMT
Ever since Mr Stabby explained on here how he would eviscerate any scrotes who put his sons in danger with a very large and sharp knife they seem to have gone away. it was that famous picture of him brandishing his weapon in a menacing fashion, that scared them away. I've been having PTSD therapy non stop since receiving the calendar from naughtyfox. Talk about scary.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:39:49 GMT
Ever since Mr Stabby explained on here how he would eviscerate any scrotes who put his sons in danger with a very large and sharp knife they seem to have gone away. I must confess that after an attempted 3am break-in to try to steal my car in the mid-noughties, I rather foolishly purchased a large knife, with the ridiculous idea that it might be a last-ditch self defence option in case there was a future break-in and it went feral somehow, e.g. the intruders got carried away and wanted blood in addition to the car. There had been an elderly gentleman living nearby who was critically injured by stabbing a week or so before, and it was theorised that the same two young scrotes were responsible. I called the police just as the banging on my door stopped, and explained to the police person that I heard my door being kicked in, but that it was too dark to see if it was now open, and if the would-be intruders had become actual intruders. I was advised by the operator to go downstairs and take a look for myself, before they decided whether to send a patrol car over. I explained as politely as possible that I felt the young lady's advice was not entirely consistent with my personal objective of remaining stab-free for the remainder of the night. Crouching at the top of the stairs, I explained my deductive reasoning in a stage whisper- that for two men to be quite so loud, so bold and so persistent in trying to break into a clearly occupied house, there was a very good chance that they were armed, with knives at the very least. The lady did not share my concerns in the slightest. Losing my temper somewhat, I asked whether my screams would provide enough motivation for them to send a patrol car, and crept down the stairs. The door was intact and I remained happily unstabbed, but not, I felt, thanks to any efforts of our noble constabulary. Minutes later a patrol car arrived anyway, summoned by somebody across the street who heard the commotion, who manged to speak to a less sceptical operator perhaps. But the incident left me feeling that some sort of last-ditch weapon was required. Not that I had any intentions of charging downstairs at the slightest sound to indulge in any 'three musketeers' style heroic swordplay. My thinking was that if any scrotes broke in, the safest thing to do was always to let them take what they wanted, if they were armed. But if I encountered that one in a million nutcase who just got his blood up a bit in the excitement and went for me anyway, I would have some visible means of deterrent. I got rid of the thing ages ago, but I have occasionally wondered about that million-to-one scenario of an intruder who does not want to steal, but rather to harm. I was told if you have a weapon deliberately kept for this purpose it gets dodgy but if you have an object which is always in that position and has a valid use then it is acceptable to use it for defence. I think this is why there is a hatchet by the door of my toy trawler, with a kindling store under the step. ETA I could not agree more about the "let him have it" approach if picked up by an armed scrote. A phone and keys is going to be a lot less trouble to deal with than knife wounds.
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