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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 19:07:59 GMT
Suggestions please...
Also what do you need to ask me to answer the question.
59' narrowboat, intention this year is to do the upper Thames and then down to Brentford - a slight chance in future years maybe to the trip to Limehouse but that should only be seen as a maybe.
How long a chain and what size plus same for rope? Does it need to be altered for different sections?
Never had to use an anchor before so don't get too complicated with technical stuff.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 19:13:56 GMT
I don't buy into the requirement for an anchor on a narrow boat on the non tidal Thames but if you want one then get a Danforth, add something like 20ft of chain on and another 20ft of rope.
That would sort it.
On the tidal River it's more important but if you are navigating the non tidal part during normal conditions it's highly unlikely you would ever need and anchor unless something very silly happened.
For example at the moment up near Abingdon the River is going at about 0.3 mph.
To be fair this is after the driest May ever (!) but usually it doesn't move much.
You would have to be doing something very silly to actually need an anchor for saving your life and or boat.
They have signs saying "the anchor is your lifeline" but I always kept my fingers crossed if I end up in the water that nobody would throw an anchor to me..
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 19:21:05 GMT
Have got the anchor - I call it a useless pile of metal everytime I have to move it or stub my toe on it - weighs about the same as a bag of cement. Can't imagine ever getting to it and dumping it overboard before I was already in such deep poo poo that it would be any use but... Other views are welcome.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 19:41:26 GMT
In most places on the Thames you will encounter a sand or mud river bed. For short periods at anchor a ratio of 3:1 (line vs depth) is fine. There should be a length of chain attached to the anchor that you then tie the rode to. The purpose of the chain is to make the anchor lie flat to the bed. The weight of the chain is of greater importance than the weight of the anchor. Suggested weight of anchor and chain - as heavy as you can manage, assuming you do not have a winch. If you struggle to move it then it probably isn't worth having (on the basis you probably won't use it). A folding anchor type is good for a narrowboat since you will have it stowed for the majority of the time. However the arguments as to which is best are endless. According to the chart below the grapnel would seem to win since it would probably stow nicely in the gas locker. The fluke (Danforth) anchor will have your fingers sooner rather than later. I hate the bastard things. ETA I use a Bruce anchor. Works fine.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 20:01:37 GMT
The anchor I have is a Danforth/Fluke type weighing about (at a guess + 30 kg).
If I bought 20ft of chain that weighed about the same as the anchor (or less) plus 20ft of rope - would this suffice?
ETA - anchor is only for emergencies.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 20:15:33 GMT
That is what we have.
Don't ask if it works ... wouldn't have a clue I'm afraid, but I was told it was enough.
As I rarely venture onto rivers unless unavoidable, I hope I never have to find out.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 20:22:44 GMT
The anchor I have is a Danforth/Fluke type weighing about (at a guess + 30 kg).
If I bought 20ft of chain that weighed about the same as the anchor (or less) plus 20ft of rope - would this suffice?
ETA - anchor is only for emergencies.
I would say 5ft of heavy chain plus about 35 or so ft of line. Its difficult to imagine you would need more on the Thames. Bear in mind that you will probably store the line in the gas locker as well so something thinner than your mooring lines may be best. Also, learn the yachty way of hanking rope so it is ready for immediate use. Long lines get tangled easily.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 20:51:38 GMT
Thanks all. I have some chain and line already that I could make 'spare' - will measure/guess weight tomorrow and see if you think this is ok.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 20:55:40 GMT
Another reason I prefer canals Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 5:27:13 GMT
ETA - anchor is only for emergencies.
If you are going to all the bother, have some kind of system where it is ready to deploy for the times that you might actually need it. Scrabbling about in a locker in a hurry is probably a waste of effort. So maybe some kind of tub that can live in the fore-deck when you are on a river. Incidentally, in an emergency, if you chuck the anchor in then this is likely to have the effect of swinging the boat around (assuming it was moving in a bow-first course to begin with). This may prove interesting in itself so practising using it in a hurry is probably worth it.
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 30, 2020 7:55:27 GMT
Thanks all. I have some chain and line already that I could make 'spare' - will measure/guess weight tomorrow and see if you think this is ok. I won't have time until later on - probably tonight - to go through this with you in detail, but if you've already got an anchor, some chain, and some extra rope in addition to the lines you normally use round locks and for tying up, then you've probably already got what you need for going downriver only as far as Brentford. The most important bit of preparation you'll need to do is to practice getting everything into the water, with the boat drifting under wind and current, . . . and to still be left with a full set of undamaged limbs and digits afterwards !
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Post by naughtyfox on May 30, 2020 9:04:58 GMT
We bought an anchor from eBay last Summer, for the Soar and Thames, and then someone gave us another, so we have two. Bought lengths of chain and rope. Unlikely to use them, but I thought they might come in handy for parking up in the middle of the Thames if the bushes on the banks were too unruly (that's OK, as boating is not allowed at night = no risk of being crashed into).
My plan for emergency, getting sucked into a weir, was to stand up and swing the anchor round and round and at helicopter speed let go and get it slung round a stout tree. I'd also remove the chimney first.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 9:16:19 GMT
ETA - anchor is only for emergencies.
If you are going to all the bother, have some kind of system where it is ready to deploy for the times that you might actually need it. Scrabbling about in a locker in a hurry is probably a waste of effort. So maybe some kind of tub that can live in the fore-deck when you are on a river. Incidentally, in an emergency, if you chuck the anchor in then this is likely to have the effect of swinging the boat around (assuming it was moving in a bow-first course to begin with). This may prove interesting in itself so practising using it in a hurry is probably worth it. The anchor is too big for a locker - won't even go through the hatch for the gas locker, so will be moved from the roof to the foredeck (and attached to the boat) when on the river. Practising actually deploying the anchor will happen if I have someone else onboard who has at least as much experience as me.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 9:26:50 GMT
The chain I have is about 15ft long but the links are only 6mm diameter - any thoughts whether this would be ok or not?
Lines - what length lines are recommended at bow and stern? - I seem to remember that you can't just use a centre line in the locks.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 9:28:30 GMT
Our anchor is held against the well deck bulk head on clips ... simply lifts off and the chain is in a rubber trug.
Apart from being lifted off when cleaning or painting, it has remained in that position for fifteen years.
When we've been on the Thames, Severn or Soar, apart from ensuring access to it is unrestricted, I've never had to deploy, or indeed practised doing so.
I'd be interested to know how many here have HAD to deploy an anchor in an emergency ?
Rog
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