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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 11:46:58 GMT
I pick up litter when I can, my gas locker has some cans and bottles I need to bin that I have picked up, in fact I went for a pee in the hedge up near the top of the Ashby and stumbled on an old pop can, its very old as its got the old ring pull and the pop isn't available anymore, hardly any rust and no holes so goes to show these last a long time...
Dog shit in bags hanging from trees boils my piss, if you can bag it then take it home you tramp..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 11:51:31 GMT
Said can
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Post by JohnV on Jun 3, 2020 11:52:56 GMT
9 years or more old !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 12:03:40 GMT
Steady on @froggy ... you'll be branded a virtue signaller !
We walked for a couple of hours around Whixall Moss yesterday ... and I never saw any litter .
When we're at home and visit Meadowhall shopping centre there's never any litter.
So how do we spread the message/mentality of those two types of places to everywhere ?
Rog
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 3, 2020 12:55:15 GMT
A friend in the Lake District sent me some pictures, absolutely disgraceful. LDNPA picked up 120 tons of litter at the weekend. Roll on the day these city twats can go back to amusing themselves in a retail park c/w maccy d. Normal countryside users don't do that do they? well maybe not quite as much If it wasn't such a hassle I'd post the photos of fields strewn with rubbish, it looks like the aftermath of a pop festival!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 3, 2020 12:59:08 GMT
Wiki says that pop-tab ring pulls were phased out in 1989.
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Post by patty on Jun 3, 2020 13:12:27 GMT
A few restaurants opened up down here for takeaways only ...no extra rubbish bins and the mess disgusting... They have now put more bins but some folk never use them. A lone council worker cleared up all the discarded mess. Seagulls also empty bins which adds to the problems. The cafe very close to the boat has opened for takeaways (Good luck to them for the effort as the workshops are opening up around) they have put up three bins in their yard area (which has seats) but people are crossing the road, sitting on the seawall ... and then throwing their rubbish over the wall onto our quay.
Over the lock down period I have put a lot of work into clearing the concrete quay of rubbish
and now these dirty bastards are making a mess again Sounds about right..people are dam lazy...there is an area of the beach that is target for the bonfire lot...about 50 yards from a bin yet there beer cans etc always left next to the remains of the fire.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 3, 2020 13:22:12 GMT
A friend in the Lake District sent me some pictures, absolutely disgraceful. LDNPA picked up 120 tons of litter at the weekend. Roll on the day these city twats can go back to amusing themselves in a retail park c/w maccy d. Normal countryside users don't do that do they? well maybe not quite as much Well spotted, I had a check. Bags, 130 bags. lol I've bollocked the twit, he is someone I know, he's normally rational!
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Post by JohnV on Jun 3, 2020 13:45:40 GMT
Wiki says that pop-tab ring pulls were phased out in 1989. didn't check that ..... was going on the date Panda Pops disapeared
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Post by bodger on Jun 3, 2020 15:25:28 GMT
I try to get my head round the concept of littering. I have concluded that it is a worse crime than vandalism (at least for everyone except the victim of the vandalism), because it is quite motiveless. At least vandalism is (I assume) the result of a thought process involving anger, revenge, jealousy, whatever, and involves some motive even if it is destructive and negative. Littering is simply lazy mindless bollox that impacts on everyone in the local community.
I visited Blagdon Lake with the dogs a few years ago. There is footpath access to one corner of the lake - you can walk around the shore for about a mile and then through a rough wood before ending up in a sloping field with lovely views across the water. Nobody would get there casually - you have to make a real effort to get there. When I got to the field the dogs were off - they homed in on a pile of rubbish which turned out to be the packaging from a visit to KFC - about a dozen servings I would guess. Why would anyone make an effort to find a lovely picnic location and then spoil it by not taking the rubbish home with them? The location would suggest that this was not the action of a group of scrotes living on a sink estate - I assume the folk would have been fairly well heeled and familiar with out-of-the-way beauty spots.
Another time I was walking along the bank of a stream in our local wood. There was a schools charity walk going on and a group of three youngsters were walking on the path on the other side of the stream. They didn't see me because of the thick foliage. One of the lads was clearly the bigwig, wearing what appeared to be brand new designer trainers. He threw his empty water bottle into the stream. I called out and he stopped in his tracks. I told him to get down into the stream and pick up his bottle. His mates seemed to be highly amused as he clambered down and got his smart footwear muddied. I walked on and noticed a couple of adults sitting on a bench and i asked them if they were involved in the walk, and they confirmed they were teachers overseeing the activity. I asked them if they had heard of the countryside code - they didn't have a clue what I was referring to. I asked them if they briefed the kids on matters of HSE before they were started the walk. Again they didn't have clue. When I explained what I had witnessed they immediately responded that it wasn't a problem - one of their own duties was to pick up after the kids! That is modern education for you !!
The council has signs saying £70 fine but who has ever been apprehended? When I was a lad the signs read KEEP BRITAIN TIDY - it worked for me and most of my generation. It was a matter of pride in our country and environment. We need a return to the concept of pride and shame - enforcement is impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 15:31:54 GMT
It was a matter of pride in our country and environment. We need a return to the concept of pride and shame - enforcement is impossible.
Our politicians (and key advisors) disagree... !
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 3, 2020 15:38:16 GMT
Says the nappy-thrower!
Which, of course, brings this to mind:
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 3, 2020 18:45:33 GMT
I try to get my head round the concept of littering. I have concluded that it is a worse crime than vandalism (at least for everyone except the victim of the vandalism), because it is quite motiveless. At least vandalism is (I assume) the result of a thought process involving anger, revenge, jealousy, whatever, and involves some motive even if it is destructive and negative. Littering is simply lazy mindless bollox that impacts on everyone in the local community.
I visited Blagdon Lake with the dogs a few years ago. There is footpath access to one corner of the lake - you can walk around the shore for about a mile and then through a rough wood before ending up in a sloping field with lovely views across the water. Nobody would get there casually - you have to make a real effort to get there. When I got to the field the dogs were off - they homed in on a pile of rubbish which turned out to be the packaging from a visit to KFC - about a dozen servings I would guess. Why would anyone make an effort to find a lovely picnic location and then spoil it by not taking the rubbish home with them? The location would suggest that this was not the action of a group of scrotes living on a sink estate - I assume the folk would have been fairly well heeled and familiar with out-of-the-way beauty spots.
Another time I was walking along the bank of a stream in our local wood. There was a schools charity walk going on and a group of three youngsters were walking on the path on the other side of the stream. They didn't see me because of the thick foliage. One of the lads was clearly the bigwig, wearing what appeared to be brand new designer trainers. He threw his empty water bottle into the stream. I called out and he stopped in his tracks. I told him to get down into the stream and pick up his bottle. His mates seemed to be highly amused as he clambered down and got his smart footwear muddied. I walked on and noticed a couple of adults sitting on a bench and i asked them if they were involved in the walk, and they confirmed they were teachers overseeing the activity. I asked them if they had heard of the countryside code - they didn't have a clue what I was referring to. I asked them if they briefed the kids on matters of HSE before they were started the walk. Again they didn't have clue. When I explained what I had witnessed they immediately responded that it wasn't a problem - one of their own duties was to pick up after the kids! That is modern education for you !!
The council has signs saying £70 fine but who has ever been apprehended? When I was a lad the signs read KEEP BRITAIN TIDY - it worked for me and most of my generation. It was a matter of pride in our country and environment. We need a return to the concept of pride and shame - enforcement is impossible.
It's a status thing. Like demanding respect without earning it. Putting litter in bins or carrying it home is for softies, for people who OBEY RULES. People who litter regard themselves above that and would embarrassed to be seen acting responsibly for the common good which would be seen as a sign of weakness. Hope that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 18:56:15 GMT
Do you really think that much consideration is given ?
I fear those who litter aren't bad people ... they simply don't think ... I don't want this so I'll drop it ... just lazy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 19:07:58 GMT
Do you really think that much consideration is given ? I fear those who litter aren't bad people ... they simply don't think ... I don't want this so I'll drop it ... just lazy. Rog I'd argue that it isn't just laziness. It's more about not giving a shit - start working out why that is then progress can be made.
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