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Post by kris on Jun 10, 2020 19:58:31 GMT
Personally, if I was a descendant of African slaves, I’d be going for financial reparation from the financial institutions and companies that became very rich off the back of slavery and are still very rich today. For instance Tate and Lyle, one of the things not understood about this business is that slave owners insured their slaves so some of the biggest insurance companies are built on money made from slavery. All of this can be traced, and proved. Dublin was a very big centre for slavery, in Viking times. The Norse being big slavers. In fact if there is an ‘o’ in front of a name, ie O’Leary for example. It means of and denotes the person to be a slave of the Leary’s. The fact is that slavery hasn’t ended in fact it’s becoming more common again. Obviously not on the scale of the transatlantic slave trade. But still it’s on the rise, so my hope would be that all this focussing on historical slaving, will lead to an awareness of the modern day slave trade and help bring it to an end. sorry to disagree kris but I think this has nothing to do with historic slavery ..... it's all to do with the latest "thing"
If anything it distracts from modern slavery.
Slavery is a thread that runs throughout history to try and hide that fact is pointless .... now to start a drive to put pressure on society to stamp out modern slavery, well that would be a worthwhile cause.
John where have I tried to hide the fact that slavery runs through history? I think I’ve pointed out that it does.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 10, 2020 20:01:15 GMT
will lead to an awareness of the modern day slave trade and help bring it to an end. Cobalt for your electric cars so you can swan about and pretend to be ever-so-virtue-signalling in the UK.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 10, 2020 20:03:26 GMT
Sainsbury's has unwittingly found itself facing backlash following the removal of a statue of a slave trader in London, with calls for the supermarket chain to be boycotted. Lord Sainsbury, whose great-grandfather founded the chain, has been blamed by some on social media for the removal of the Robert Milligan statue in West India Quay. The statue was removed after the Canal and River Trust charity, which owns the land where it was located, said it would organise its “safe removal” following a petition launched by local Labour councillor. Howver calls to boycott Sainsbury's come as a result of claims the Museum of London, which is reportedly funded by the Sainsbury family, was responsible for making the decision for it to be removed. The Standard has contacted the Museum of London for a comment. The statue of the noted West Indian merchant, slaveholder and founder of London’s global trade hub, West India Docks, had stood outside the Museum of London Docklands. With #BoycottSainsburys trending on Twitter, some people were delighted that "racist" people who were angry about the removal of the statue would be avoiding the supermarkets. www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/robert-milligan-statue-removal-sainsburys-boycott-a4464621.html?amp
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Post by JohnV on Jun 10, 2020 20:06:05 GMT
sorry to disagree kris but I think this has nothing to do with historic slavery ..... it's all to do with the latest "thing"
If anything it distracts from modern slavery.
Slavery is a thread that runs throughout history to try and hide that fact is pointless .... now to start a drive to put pressure on society to stamp out modern slavery, well that would be a worthwhile cause.
John where have I tried to hide the fact that slavery runs through history? I think I’ve pointed out that it does. you have,..... I meant the BLM idiots concentrating on statues ..... it's just a bandwaggon that the ill informed and hard of thinking have jumped on,
(incidentally I wasn't aware of the O' thing) Just a badly thought out post
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Post by kris on Jun 10, 2020 20:11:47 GMT
John where have I tried to hide the fact that slavery runs through history? I think I’ve pointed out that it does. you have,..... I meant the BLM idiots concentrating on statues ..... it's just a bandwaggon that the ill informed and hard of thinking have jumped on,
(incidentally I wasn't aware of the O' thing) Just a badly thought out post No worries John. Lots of people don’t know the history of slavery in Ireland which is why I posted it. I agree with you about the bandwagon and all the people jumping on it. The removal of statues is pointless and virtue signalling of the worst kind by what seem to be mainly white middle class rich kids feeling guilty over their privilege.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 10, 2020 20:14:10 GMT
Jim Riley should use this opportunity of 'removing offensive things' to get rid of that gawd-awful roofbox from his narrow boat without loosing face! 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 20:20:07 GMT
Jim Riley should take this opportunity of 'removing offensive things' to get rid of that gawd-awful roofbox from his narrow boat without loosing face! 👍 Maybe he could just scum bling it? Would that suit you.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 10, 2020 20:48:14 GMT
Personally, if I was a descendant of African slaves, I’d be going for financial reparation from the financial institutions and companies that became very rich off the back of slavery and are still very rich today. For instance Tate and Lyle, one of the things not understood about this business is that slave owners insured their slaves so some of the biggest insurance companies are built on money made from slavery. All of this can be traced, and proved. Dublin was a very big centre for slavery, in Viking times. The Norse being big slavers. In fact if there is an ‘o’ in front of a name, ie O’Leary for example. It means of and denotes the person to be a slave of the Leary’s. The fact is that slavery hasn’t ended in fact it’s becoming more common again. Obviously not on the scale of the transatlantic slave trade. But still it’s on the rise, so my hope would be that all this focussing on historical slaving, will lead to an awareness of the modern day slave trade and help bring it to an end. Thanks, I didn't know much of that. Are we allowed to be critical of anything Irish though? Despite the Irish being the same race as many British, I think it's considered to be racism.
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Post by kris on Jun 10, 2020 20:50:13 GMT
Personally, if I was a descendant of African slaves, I’d be going for financial reparation from the financial institutions and companies that became very rich off the back of slavery and are still very rich today. For instance Tate and Lyle, one of the things not understood about this business is that slave owners insured their slaves so some of the biggest insurance companies are built on money made from slavery. All of this can be traced, and proved. Dublin was a very big centre for slavery, in Viking times. The Norse being big slavers. In fact if there is an ‘o’ in front of a name, ie O’Leary for example. It means of and denotes the person to be a slave of the Leary’s. The fact is that slavery hasn’t ended in fact it’s becoming more common again. Obviously not on the scale of the transatlantic slave trade. But still it’s on the rise, so my hope would be that all this focussing on historical slaving, will lead to an awareness of the modern day slave trade and help bring it to an end. Thanks, I didn't know much of that. Are we allowed to be critical of anything Irish though? Despite the Irish being the same race as many British, I think it's considered to be racism. As far as I’m concerned you can do as you please.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 10, 2020 21:06:48 GMT
World's gone nuts - or PC - you decide! "How many more will be axed? The League of Gentlemen is PULLED from Netflix for its blackface character Papa Lazarou as more films and TV shows face removal from streaming services over 'racist' stereotypes" "Ant and Dec issue apology for 'impersonating people of colour' on Saturday Night Takeaway and promise to never do it again... as they remove all footage of sketches from ITV Hub" "Statues under fire: Map shows the 78 'racist' monuments from Orkney to Truro that 'Topple The Racists' campaign wants torn down in wake of Black Lives Matter protests" "Anti-racism campaigners call for 'The 'Black Boy' pubs across Britain to be renamed - despite many being named after King Charles II" "Liverpool mayor refuses to change name of Penny Lane that was made famous by The Beatles after claims it was named after 18th century slaver" "Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes" - I'm nominating this statue:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 21:07:26 GMT
When British rule ended in India, many statues of British notables were uprooted and relocated in the Durbar field, where they have been neglected and vandalised. Virtue signalling? I don't think so. It was (and is) the result of a need to state in a very visible way that the days of exploitative colonialism were over.
When the former U.S.S.R collapsed, most of the many, many statues of Lenin and Stalin were removed and presumably destroyed, although I've seen a photo of at least one huge collection of them somewhere in Russia. Did an entire country of stupid people do this? No, it was a nation who collectively didn't want to continue honouring the memory of quite possibly the worst murderer in history and who found little worth remembering of the failed ideology of Russian communism. Stalingrad isn't called Stalingrad anymore either. I expect this is news to some.
It may be wholly symbolic but there appear to be a whole lot of folks who see no need to continue honouring the memory of those who collectively perpetrated the biggest crime in the terrible history of the British empire (which is something because it was a long way from the only crime). Maybe that is what some of you seem to find so hard to deal with. Brittania herself has dirty underwear.
But this is just stating the bleeding obvious. Why do I have to say it? Because there are a whole lot of denialists about. Thats why.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 10, 2020 21:10:12 GMT
Thanks, I didn't know much of that. Are we allowed to be critical of anything Irish though? Despite the Irish being the same race as many British, I think it's considered to be racism. As far as I’m concerned you can do as you please. 'We', not 'me'.
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Post by kris on Jun 10, 2020 21:15:51 GMT
As far as I’m concerned you can do as you please. 'We', not 'me'. Oh, so you are talking as a multiple entity? Not as an individual? You have to check, as you can self identify as anything these days. Myself I only talk for myself and of my own experiences generally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 21:16:28 GMT
When British rule ended in India, many statues of British notables were uprooted and relocated in the Durbar field, where they have been neglected and vandalised. Virtue signalling? I don't think so. It was (and is) the result of a need to state in a very visible way that the days of exploitative colonialism were over. When the former U.S.S.R collapsed, most of the many, many statues of Lenin and Stalin were removed and presumably destroyed, although I've seen a photo of at least one huge collection of them somewhere in Russia. Did an entire country of stupid people do this? No, it was a nation who collectively didn't want to continue honouring the memory of quite possibly the worst murderer in history and who found little worth remembering of the failed ideology of Russian communism. Stalingrad isn't called Stalingrad anymore either. I expect this is news to some. It may be wholly symbolic but there appear to be a whole lot of folks who see no need to continue honouring the memory of those who collectively perpetrated the biggest crime in the terrible history of the British empire (which is something because it was a long way from the only crime). Maybe that is what some of you seem to find so hard to deal with. Brittania herself has dirty underwear. But this is just stating the bleeding obvious. Why do I have to say it? Because there are a whole lot of denialists about. Thats why. Well said - anarchy with responsibility at its best!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jun 10, 2020 21:16:41 GMT
When British rule ended in India, many statues of British notables were uprooted and relocated in the Durbar field, where they have been neglected and vandalised. Virtue signalling? I don't think so. It was (and is) the result of a need to state in a very visible way that the days of exploitative colonialism were over. When the former U.S.S.R collapsed, most of the many, many statues of Lenin and Stalin were removed and presumably destroyed, although I've seen a photo of at least one huge collection of them somewhere in Russia. Did an entire country of stupid people do this? No, it was a nation who collectively didn't want to continue honouring the memory of quite possibly the worst murderer in history and who found little worth remembering of the failed ideology of Russian communism. Stalingrad isn't called Stalingrad anymore either. I expect this is news to some. It may be wholly symbolic but there appear to be a whole lot of folks who see no need to continue honouring the memory of those who collectively perpetrated the biggest crime in the terrible history of the British empire (which is something because it was a long way from the only crime). Maybe that is what some of you seem to find so hard to deal with. Brittania herself has dirty underwear. But this is just stating the bleeding obvious. Why do I have to say it? Because there are a whole lot of denialists about. Thats why. Almost every town in India has a statue of Gandhi. To say he's revered is an understatement. Do we expect that now 'black lives matter' that furious Indians should compete with each other to tear down these statues? After all, he described African people as both kaffirs, and savages.
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