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Post by peterboat on Jul 9, 2020 12:41:37 GMT
As per the title, CRT need more money to spend on the navigation's, would you be willing to pay a lot more for your license? say £2500 a year brought in over a period of time. I for one would not but some people on tother side are advocating a large rise to keep the canals going, I have argued that its unworkable but that falls on deaf ears so what do you lot think yea or nay
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 9, 2020 13:26:35 GMT
Maybe. Only if I felt the money would be wisely spent and not squandered on executive pay, flash company cars and incompetently delivered engineering works. Which seems unlikely!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 9, 2020 13:26:57 GMT
As per the title, CRT need more money to spend on the navigation's, would you be willing to pay a lot more for your license? say £2500 a year brought in over a period of time. I for one would not but some people on tother side are advocating a large rise to keep the canals going, I have argued that its unworkable but that falls on deaf ears so what do you lot think yea or nay
The 'maybe' vote from me would be conditional on the extra revenue from craft licences and river registrations, as well as a very substantial chunk of C&RT's existing annual income, being diverted away from paying for the legions of pointless office staff, administrators, and 'Mickey Mouse' management with company cars and into some real maintenance instead. There would also have to be some clear evidence of genuine, and successful, efforts to bring some significant tonnages of commercial traffic, along with it's substantial toll receipts, back on to the inland waterways it should never have left !
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Post by peterboat on Jul 9, 2020 13:37:12 GMT
Good comments and I agree with them, one of my great pleasures in life is watching the Exol Pride go past my moorings twice a week. I have asked moorers at Sheffield and here and I am getting a lot of nays at the moment
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 9, 2020 13:44:48 GMT
Good comments and I agree with them, one of my great pleasures in life is watching the Exol Pride go past my moorings twice a week. I have asked moorers at Sheffield and here and I am getting a lot of nays at the moment I'll bet you'd get a lot more pleasure out of watching a fully loaded 'Exol Pride' go past, . . . along with all the steel and aggregate traffic that could, and should, be going up there too ! I don't know what the present toll rates would be for bulk liquids, steel, and aggregate, . . . but when the Trent (new Besthorpe) gravel traffic to Whitwood ceased in July 2013, C&RT were raking off 10p per tonne, . . not a figure to be sniffed at with every one of the barges on that traffic at that time capable of loading down to 8' draught and carrying up to around 500 tonnes per trip on the bigger fortnightly tides.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 14:04:41 GMT
I would if Parry was replaced by someone who will actually maintain the system as a navigation. CRT are not short of money though, it's just very badly managed at the moment. They have various accounts that support other business interests such as H20 urban, which they own 50% of, and because those businesses do not come under the charitable responsibility, we have no chance of getting the details.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 14:11:23 GMT
If I could be convinced that insufficient funding was the reason for lack of ongoing preventative maintenance, disposal of equipment and know-how, and contracting out of maintenance tasks, then yes I would pay more. But I would need to be convinced where the extra funds would be directed ... I already pay extra to C&RT for mooring and also donating voluntarily as a 'friend'. I'd be happy to pay more income tax too ... but not to finance pay rises, expences, and bonuses for our 'leaders' Rog
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Post by quaysider on Jul 9, 2020 14:16:20 GMT
I'm torn on this... I already pay practically double... which I'm ok with WERE it not for all the problems caused by 'them" and all the wasted money on signage such as "portage 2 mins this way" .... surely a ruddy kayak-er can work out how to get around a swing bridge without a sign ffs? but the poor planning and lack of ability to DO things without Keir wasting loads of money too for what should be simple things on the ground that the old boys could have done themselves ... had they not all been let go.
I know it's a circular argument, things cant improve until money is spent improving them - perhaps a compromised way of doing thigns might be Boris lends them the money to improve things which can then be recovered in phased increases... of course, they wouldn't actually DO the improvements/repairs -but as intimate, squander it on cars/ bonuses and snowflake stuff like more signs saying "woof woof" etc.... - then perhaps a rebranding....
I could go on...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 14:22:27 GMT
CRT has seen funding of over 2 billion quid since 2012, from government, property management, lottery and various other business. There is very little to show for such a vast amount of income.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 9, 2020 14:27:02 GMT
I would if Parry was replaced by someone who will actually maintain the system as a navigation. CRT are not short of money though, it's just very badly managed at the moment. They have various accounts that support other business interests such as H20 urban, which they own 50% of, and because those businesses do not come under the charitable responsibility, we have no chance of getting the details. Aren't you being a little over 'charitable' - for want of a better description - in accusing the 'Trust' of bad management, . . . self-aggrandizement and nest feathering would surely be closer to the mark !
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Post by quaysider on Jul 9, 2020 14:28:52 GMT
I'm torn on this... I already pay practically double... which I'm ok with WERE it not for all the problems caused by 'them" and all the wasted money on signage such as "portage 2 mins this way" .... surely a ruddy kayak-er can work out how to get around a swing bridge without a sign ffs? but the poor planning and lack of ability to DO things without Keir wasting loads of money too for what should be simple things on the ground that the old boys could have done themselves ... had they not all been let go. I know it's a circular argument, things cant improve until money is spent improving them - perhaps a compromised way of doing thigns might be Boris lends them the money to improve things which can then be recovered in phased increases... of course, they wouldn't actually DO the improvements/repairs -but as intimate, squander it on cars/ bonuses and snowflake stuff like more signs saying "woof woof" etc.... - then perhaps a rebranding.... I could go on... Go on then... lol - there is NO point. My mantra (beleive it or not) is to try and be positive about the world we live in... alas, it is made ever more difficult the more I have to "do" with crt... most of the blokes on the ground are ok but there are quite a lot of skivers among them too... add in the "volunteers" who (if we believe what has been mooted) cost us circa 32 quid per vollunteer hour can be a waste of space too.. no - I'm not saying another negative word.
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Post by Jim on Jul 9, 2020 14:44:29 GMT
Go on then... lol - there is NO point. My mantra (beleive it or not) is to try and be positive about the world we live in... alas, it is made ever more difficult the more I have to "do" with crt... most of the blokes on the ground are ok but there are quite a lot of skivers among them too... add in the "volunteers" who (if we believe what has been mooted) cost us circa 32 quid per vollunteer hour can be a waste of space too.. no - I'm not saying another negative word. Was trying to post this as encouragement, Carry on....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:14:33 GMT
I'd quite like costs to go up as a way to encourage me to finally rid myself of the ditches forever.
I already pay well over ten grand a year to CRT anyway mainly on account of having a residential mooring (which they want to cancel because I am too annoying). Any increase encouraging me to leave these waste of time waters can only be a good thing for me personally. 25+ years is too much of a lifetime to be stuck in ditches.
They say it will drive some people off the canals. Is that a bad thing ?
Out with the old in with the new might be quite a sensible situation.
Everyone will have an opinion based on their own circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:22:04 GMT
The only way the canals will survive in their current state is with Government funding of a national asset. Quite happy to up my contribution to that asset as long as the Government is willing to play their part. Otherwise I don't see the point of throwing more money at a lost cause.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 16:37:50 GMT
I reckon breaking up and franchising off sections might work. But that -would- get expensive for boaters.
I suppose the question is what would be better 10k boaters paying £3k each or 30k boaters paying £1k each.
I think in business terms the smaller number of boats and larger costs make more sense.
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